Wilson Audio • Yvette Loudspeakers

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PS-I only know of one dealer who had both Magico and Wilson speakers on display, and he dropped Magico.

I believe that there are some who did the exact opposite, (as well as many reviewers, including Martin Colloms, who wrote the book on loudspeakers design and is just about the only honest reviewer left in the world), your point?
You can like what you like, but when it comes to empirical objective performance data, you are not even in the ballpark.

 

[metaphacts]

I believe that there are some who did the exact opposite, (as well as many reviewers, including Martin Colloms, who wrote the book on loudspeakers design and is just about the only honest reviewer left in the world), your point?
You can like what you like, but when it comes to empirical objective performance data, you are not even in the ballpark.

I'm not sure I know any accomplished loudspeaker designer anywhere in the world that believes MC wrote "the" book on loudspeaker design.

I agree with you though. There are many things that go into a line decision and they can go either way. No problem.

Reviewers are in business to write reviews and attract readers. All have their opinions. Not sure how you feel Martin is the last honest one. He's no more or less so than many reviewers around the world. Quite frankly if I was a reviewer of pedigree ( and there are many), I might take offense at such a statement.

Here's a hint: There are reviewers out there with whom you disagree who are quite credible.

 

[Jack]

Do you boys ever get tired of pulling yours out and bragging about how much bigger it is. Those of us who don't or don't intend to own either brand find it amusing that you each have to justify how you spent your money every day. Are you really that insecure in your choices. There are hundreds of viable speaker brands on the market and contrary to what the print magazines or you hand full of zealots would have the public believe Magico and Wilson are a very insignificant percentage of the total. Listen to what you paid for and be happy, but give it a rest.

 

[metaphacts]

Do you boys ever get tired of pulling yours out and bragging about how much bigger it is. Those of us who don't or don't intend to own either brand find it amusing that you each have to justify how you spent your money every day. Are you really that insecure in your choices. There are hundreds of viable speaker brands on the market and contrary to what the print magazines or you hand full of zealots would have the public believe Magico and Wilson are a very insignificant percentage of the total. Listen to what you paid for and be happy, but give it a rest.

As I have said many times, you pay your money and take your choice. That you don't intend to buy either has nothing to do with this thread.

I work for the Wilsons, life long friends and colleagues in this business. I am commenting in a Wilson thread whose subject is a Wilson review. I am simply asking non Wilson guys to create their own thread in their preferred forum.

Obviously ymmv.

 

[Kuoppis]

To answer Kuoppis' question - I just think its kinda sloppy. Also, my Devores extend further down for 1/2 the price.

Thanks for you kind reply Keith, interesting.

Now that you mention it, how's the Gibbon's bass in comparison and DeVore in general? I've been toying with the thought of trying something totally different for a change and the Orangutan 0/96 caught my eye...


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[kzhtoo]

This is a Wilson thread. Yet those who feel the need to post appear to be Magico fanbois. Lots of bluster about theory with very little about actual application. That's ok. You pay your money and you take your choice. Enjoy!

But if you want to talk about how much better that company is than everything else, why not start your own thread? Again?

I guess Wilson fanbois in you never posted on a Magico thread.

 

[metaphacts]

Well I have posted in a Magico thread. I'm referring to Mike's frustrating experience with Alexia and since buying M3s.

"Mike I'm sorry you had the experience that you did. I'm glad you have moved on and are able to enjoy your music again..."

I can't speak for others

 

[Joe P]

I believe that there are some who did the exact opposite, (as well as many reviewers, including Martin Colloms, who wrote the book on loudspeakers design and is just about the only honest reviewer left in the world), your point?
You can like what you like, but when it comes to empirical objective performance data, you are not even in the ballpark.

I'm just an observer, I don't own Magico or WA speakers, but it seems like there are more WA dealers.

IMO, it's very clear that ever since Mike had problems getting his WA Alexias properly installed, and is now a Magico dealer, AS is now a Magico Fanboy forum.

 

[Kuoppis]

I am all for freedom of speech.

IMHO it is very interesting to hear the different opinions from people who have heard and/or owned both brands - or actually also other speakers of interest for that matter. That's why we share, or not?

After all, this is a user forum. So I guess no manufacturer does own any threads here (I started this one btw). There are the websites for that, with controlled content and all.

Do you boys ever get tired of pulling yours out and bragging about how much bigger it is. Those of us who don't or don't intend to own either brand find it amusing that you each have to justify how you spent your money every day.

It actually is hilarious how kinda grown-ups engage in all seriousness in Superman vs. Batman battles and people often bear a grudge for days or weeks if someone does not like what they say or challenges them. Chocolate or vanilla anyone?

Come on, this is pane and circem.


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[Elberoth]

I found the original S5 (and S3) to have a lack of energy/umph in the mid bass actually. I have not heard the MKii version yet, but I presume the bass is more robust with the new drivers/design.

To answer Kuoppis' question - I just think its kinda sloppy. Also, my Devores extend further down for 1/2 the price.

I can assure you, that my S5s had no lack of mid bass punch compared to any 30 or so (lost count) different speakers I had in my listening room, including Wilson Sophia 2, Sasha and Sabrina. Sompared to my W/P Sashas mk 1 that my Magico S5 mk 1 replaced, the bass from the magicos was much faster, cleaner, much more articulate, but at the same time had all the weight of Sasha's bass and went much deeper (low 20s vs mid 30s). It was actually suprising, as I expected the S5s to be much smoother (and they were) but the biggest difference was in the bass performance.

Speakers have been placed in the very same room, in almost same position.

 

[Ritmo]

Congratulations to Wilson on a very nice review.

 

[a.wayne]

I believe that there are some who did the exact opposite, (as well as many reviewers, including Martin Colloms, who wrote the book on loudspeakers design and is just about the only honest reviewer left in the world), your point?
You can like what you like, but when it comes to empirical objective performance data, you are not even in the ballpark.

So measurements do matter and THD is important and BTW how many past favorites has MC had over the decades ...?

Do agree this is about a WA speaker review , why drive the alloy nail home .... Let it be ..

 

[a.wayne]

Has there ever been a lukewarm Wilson review on that site? Haha.

The angles with no adjustment make little sense to me (they are optimized for 9.5' or you have to rake the speaker). I heard the Yvettes recently at a dealer on dCS Vivaldi/VTL s200 in a great room. They sound stage and image very well - I didn't care for them in the bass. The soft dome tweeter is much better than inverted Focals of old. However, I expected a more visceral experience that I didn't get (which may have been related to the amplification).

I would agree on the amplification mis-match...

 

[a.wayne]

I'm just an observer, I don't own Magico or WA speakers, but it seems like there are more WA dealers.

IMO, it's very clear that ever since Mike had problems getting his WA Alexias properly installed, and is now a Magico dealer, AS is now a Magico Fanboy forum.

Thats an unnecessary silly stab , Its an Audio Fanbwoy site , now if only the WA and M bots could get along , have to admit this does beat HBO ....


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[Melbguy1]

Not sure if serious. Isn't an erector set a bunch of aluminum held together with screws. FYI, the overbuilt aluminum cabinets come from Switzerland and Maine. Of course ymmv.

This is a Wilson thread. Yet those who feel the need to post appear to be Magico fanbois. Lots of bluster about theory with very little about actual application. That's ok. You pay your money and you take your choice. Enjoy!

But if you want to talk about how much better that company is than everything else, why not start your own thread? Again?

Admittedly it is difficult to keep a straight face when discussing World War Wils-ico. But I was kind of serious. You're right, Erector sets are made of aluminum pieces; the analogy being Wilson's array of driver modules resembles an old school Erector set.

You're right, this is a Wilson thread, so back to normal programming. But you must admit the Wilson/Magico fanboi diss adds a bit of spice to life?

Ps: the only bluster I hear is from those Alexia's flabby bass puffing through that cat door :roflmao:.

 

[Elberoth]

So measurements do matter and THD is important and BTW how many past favorites has MC had over the decades ...?

Martin Coloms always admits when he finds sth better and always discusses differencies. The guy has been reviewing speakers for 30+ years. The speaker design does not stand still. No wonder, different speakers served as his reference in different periods of time.

His knowledge and integrity are undisputed in this industry.

 

[Mike]

How many discussing these speakers (Yvette), have actually heard them?

I have. Several times.

The modules for Wilson's helps with time alignment. I don't believe this is offered on the Yvette. And whether that adjustability is something you want is up to you, the buyer. If you're discussing cabinet construction, both are good. If you're discussing drivers, I have to say, I think Magico is quite a few miles ahead (IMO). If you're discussing room integration, I think the sealed cabinet of Magico helps - a lot.

The one thing not mentioned is music preference and how that affects a WA vs Magico vs something else decision for someone.

At the end of the day, both are excellent choices. As Bill says, you make your choice....


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[a.wayne]

Martin Coloms always admits when he finds sth better and always discusses differencies. The guy has been reviewing speakers for 30+ years. The speaker design does not stand still. No wonder, different speakers served as his reference in different periods of time.

His knowledge and integrity are undisputed in this industry.

Im far from hammering MC , I'm suggesting his opinion will change again as it has over the decades , so those quoting any reviewer as proof of superiority is not really relevant IMO, well unless there's concensus , which is pretty rare ...

Whats also pretty obvious , is how reviewers and the sort have a real credibility issue among current audiophiles ..

sadly so .....

 

[Mike]

If that's the case, why did Mike need to hire Mr. Smith?

PS-I only know of one dealer who had both Magico and Wilson speakers on display, and he dropped Magico.

Need? No, want. After I heard how he made my AG's sound and Eric's M3's, it was a no brainer for the M3's in my showroom. They sounded excellent before and even better after. I set up the S1 mk2, S3 mk2 and S5 mk2 myself. They sound terrific.

Wasn't there a TAS or Stereophile reviewer who dropped his Alexia's for Magico S5 mk2's?

We can go back and forth like this all day. As far as I'm aware, only Adam (Elberoth) and I have actually OWNED both.

Both are great manufacturers of world class speakers who are constantly pushing their respective envelopes.

As Mike said, congrats to Wilson on a great review of the Yvette.


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[a.wayne]

Admittedly it is difficult to keep a straight face when discussing World War Wils-ico. But I was kind of serious. You're right, Erector sets are made of aluminum pieces; the analogy being Wilson's array of driver modules resembles an old school Erector set.

You're right, this is a Wilson thread, so back to normal programming. But you must admit the Wilson/Magico fanboi diss adds a bit of spice to life?

Ps: the only bluster I hear is from those Alexia's flabby bass puffing through that cat door .

Well you know what happens when you dont have a cat Door ? yep , constipation and nothing comes out ..!


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