Why no turntable?

Calvin said:
I have jokingly remarked before that when I want a turntable sound I eat Rice Krispies with my digital system. I get plenty of snap, crackle, and pop and it's cheaper too."

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On a more serious note, turntables, tape, and digital are all great formats. A lot depends on budget, space, and how much tinkering one desires to do. Not every format is needed for a great system. However, occasionally options are wonderful to have.

PS: While the new system I'm initialing receiving from Mike is digital, I already begun discussing a TT with Mike as well.
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Yep, you hear some of that sometime but agree all else, you’ll be surprised how entry you can go and still have as much fun!


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The snap, crackle, etc., was a concern of mine jumping back in. It still bothers me, but not as much as I thought it would. As Ed stated, you might be surprised how entry level table still works very well! The U-Turn, which Ed gets credit for pointing out is quite good. It definitely has the ability to show improvements, such as the Bronze cartridge. It works very nicely on the U-Turn!
 
Randy Myers said:
The snap, crackle, etc., was a concern of mine jumping back in. It still bothers me, but not as much as I thought it would. As Ed stated, you might be surprised how entry level table still works very well! The U-Turn, which Ed gets credit for pointing out is quite good. It definitely has the ability to show improvements, such as the Bronze cartridge. It works very nicely on the U-Turn!
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I essentially agree. Mike - Suncoast Audio - is delivering my new system probably within the next week: :yahoo1:

Pass X260.8s amps
Pass XP22 Preamp
Luxman D-08u SACD
Aurender N100H Streamer
Magico A3’s
Magico A3 Grills
Shunyata Hydra Alpha A12 Power Conditioner
Shunyata Cables
Bamboo SVT Quadrasphire Racks (x3) and Amp Stands (x2)
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As one can tell it is a full digital system. Can't wait to begin spinning some SACDs again. However, I already talked to Mike about the possibility of a Pass Labs XP-27 with a VPI Table of some sort. This would require more Quadrasphire rack shelves too.

But I may try a U-Turn (or something like it) just to see if I "really" desire a TT again. This may be wise.

I still remember my old one - and my dad's too (nice in the 60s/70s) and of course I have some friends that have a couple too. They take some work to properly set up, but despite the snap, crackle, and pop (the above was a joke) I still enjoyed one before. I don't really think I need one, but even my wife is pro-TT - actually excited about the possibility! She may like the economical one enough though that she may not see the need for an upgrade.:exciting: So, it maybe be better to just go all in as a first step.

First, things first though. Will the new digital system deliver the goods? The wait is part of the journey, but man am I glad the wait is almost over. Looking forward to it Mike. :oley:
 
Wow Calvin. Diving right in. Enjoy.

Yoir digital will be better if you get a couple LPS and put your router, modem and switch on it. Also get a Linear Solution od AQvox switch. Even when playing a CD, less noise will be on the ethernet bleeding into the whole system.
 
Calvin said:
I essentially agree. Mike - Suncoast Audio - is delivering my new system probably within the next week: :yahoo1:

Pass X260.8s amps
Pass XP22 Preamp
Luxman D-08u SACD
Aurender N100H Streamer
Magico A3’s
Magico A3 Grills
Shunyata Hydra Alpha A12 Power Conditioner
Shunyata Cables
Bamboo SVT Quadrasphire Racks (x3) and Amp Stands (x2)
​

As one can tell it is a full digital system. Can't wait to begin spinning some SACDs again. However, I already talked to Mike about the possibility of a Pass Labs XP-27 with a VPI Table of some sort. This would require more Quadrasphire rack shelves too.

But I may try a U-Turn (or something like it) just to see if I "really" desire a TT again. This may be wise.

I still remember my old one - and my dad's too (nice in the 60s/70s) and of course I have some friends that have a couple too. They take some work to properly set up, but despite the snap, crackle, and pop (the above was a joke) I still enjoyed one before. I don't really think I need one, but even my wife is pro-TT - actually excited about the possibility! She may like the economical one enough though that she may not see the need for an upgrade.:exciting: So, it maybe be better to just go all in as a first step.

First, things first though. Will the new digital system deliver the goods? The wait is part of the journey, but man am I glad the wait is almost over. Looking forward to it Mike. :oley:
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Great system, congrats!

My recommendation would be to rather wait for a while, and then get something a little more on par with your digital setup. Otherwise it will be of limited use, and you will not be any wiser afterwards. And a deck worth ten LPs is probably not justification enough to invest into the media.

Maybe Mike can borrow you a VPI TT for home auditioning.


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Kingrex said:
Wow Calvin. Diving right in. Enjoy.

Yoir digital will be better if you get a couple LPS and put your router, modem and switch on it. Also get a Linear Solution od AQvox switch. Even when playing a CD, less noise will be on the ethernet bleeding into the whole system.
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Thanks. I've been reviewing switches and right now I'm contemplating the EtherREGEN Ethernet Switch. Since you apparently seem to have the AQvox switch how would you say it compares? I guess we should make this another post and stay on TT here ...
 
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i think melody gardot is better on vinyl than on a cd ... :happy:

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Kuoppis said:
Great system, congrats!

My recommendation would be to rather wait for a while, and then get something a little more on par with your digital setup. Otherwise it will be of limited use, and you will not be any wiser afterwards. And a deck worth ten LPs is probably not justification enough to invest into the media.

Maybe Mike can borrow you a VPI TT for home auditioning.


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You're probably right. Magiocos + Pass Labs is pretty revealing of any weaknesses in a system, so the U-Turn may not fair well at all. Trying to save money in audio at times is a good way of shooting yourself in the proverbial foot ... Asking Mike to borrow one in a few months maybe a better way to go. Thanks.
 
Calvin said:
I've been reviewing switch and right now I'm completing the EtherREGEN Ethernet Switch. Since you appertains to have the AQvox switch how would you say it compares? I guess we should make this another quoin and stay on TT here ...
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I have a linear Solution switch. Ultrafast has the AQvox, other have the etherREGEN. Any will be a step above a consumer grade unit. We all seem to like what they bring to the table.
 
Kingrex said:
I have a linear Solution switch. Ultrafast has the AQvox, other have the etherREGEN. Any will be a step above a consumer grade unit. We all seem to like what they bring to the table.
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Thanks Kingrex. That's very helpful.
 
It is also helpful to have a separate modem and separate router. Make sure to turn off all router functions in the modum. Ultra fast and I both use a surfboard. I have a pretty serious gaming router. All of that equipment functions best on good linear PS power such as the kecis you can get from Mike.

Place the power supplies for your router and modem on decent stands. Your switch should also go on a good stand. Your router and possibly your modem to but the switch and power supplies are vibration sensitive.

Definitely do the same for your network attach switch

Use all cat 6 or better cabling throughout. I use blue jeans cable which is tested for accurate terminations on any audio component..

Do these things and your digital setup will be very satisfying.
 
Calvin said:
You're probably right. Magiocos + Pass Labs is pretty revealing of any weaknesses in a system, so the U-Turn may not fair well at all. Trying to save money in audio at times is a good way of shooting yourself in the proverbial foot ... Asking Mike to borrow one in a few months maybe a better way to go. Thanks.
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What I’m trying to say, the system you will be receiving soon is not just some system. It will be quite good, Mike has advised you well.

Therefore, enjoy it, cherish it. When you have the passion to have a closer look at vinyl, Mike will again advise you well.


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Kingrex said:
It is also helpful to have a separate modem and separate router. Make sure to turn off all router functions in the modum. Ultra fast and I both use a surfboard. I have a pretty serious gaming router. All of that equipment functions best on good linear PS power such as the kecis you can get from Mike.

Place the power supplies for your router and modem on decent stands. Your switch should also go on a good stand. Your router and possibly your modem to but the switch and power supplies are vibration sensitive.

Definitely do the same for your network attach switch

Use all cat 6 or better cabling throughout. I use blue jeans cable which is tested for accurate terminations on any audio component..

Do these things and your digital setup will be very satisfying.
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We have a new home - moved in a few weeks ago. While we have Cat 6 throughout, our modem and router are mounted on the wall in the laundry room. From there it goes to a Cisco switch - by way of a Shunyata cable - in the Great Room. It is also wall mounted. We seem to have a pretty good connection - up to 940 mbps.

But as you and others have stated noise is the culprit. So, after I try out the Cisco switch on the system - if needed (probably will) - I will go with one of the devices above. I may also have to switch out the modem and router as well.
 
Kuoppis said:
What I’m trying to say, the system you will be receiving soon is not just some system. It will be quite good, Mike has advised you well.

Therefore, enjoy it, cherish it. When you have the passion to have a closer look at vinyl, Mike will again advise you well.


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Yes, thank you. I believe Mike designed an excellent system for us. And I agree, he would do the same on a TT system as well.
 
I sometimes regret getting into analog audio. If I would have been more wisely I could now have a far more simple and probably a better audio system.
 
I certainly understand this. I have gone round a few times over these past few years. To me it has been a re-learning process though. I am happy with my system as it stands and I believe simplifying the system (integrated amp coming soon) will make the system even more enjoyable to me. I do not regret waiting on getting a table, but I also enjoy playing around with vinyl again :).
 
Mordante said:
I sometimes regret getting into analog audio. If I would have been more wisely I could now have a far more simple and probably a better audio system.
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obviously you're young (lucky bugger) for those us my age and older there was no choice and thus our large collection of vinyl. I think with so many of the young folks they are sucked in by all the 'gear' not knowing what all is truly involved in order to perform and the highest level.
 
Mordante said:
I sometimes regret getting into analog audio. If I would have been more wisely I could now have a far more simple and probably a better audio system.
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In your case it would be a very simple decision for me: if you don’t enjoy it, don’t do it. Sell your analogue gear and focus on what you like. You do have some nice gear, and will get some change for it.

As this hobby is purely a free choice-based money pit, I would not do anything I don’t thoroughly enjoy.


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