Where's the, "Slam"?

Penthouse-D said:
Yes, Directly into the Furutech outlet. I've heard these outlets take 100's of hours to break-in. I also have a new power cord that seems to be helping without even being burned in yet.. Thanks Keith. LOVE L.A. . Lived in Manhattan Beach and Venice... I still visit often..
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Yes, I've been in MDR for 4 years and counting with a beach view...it doesn't suck. Moving to Encino later this year to get more space however.

I agree with others that you should download Audiotools app and do a quick FFT and see if a mid-bass null exists. I have one in my room that I've been able to fix a bit with placement.

If that doesn't work, Magico + T&A might not be a dynamic match.
 
I'm local, and I've volunteered to help with positioning and/or some quick measuring if necessary. Let's see what can be done.
 
Since every acoustical space has peaks and dips, moving your speakers around to find a balance that is pleasing to your ears without making the midrange sound congested is the first step of regaining that slam factor. Of course not knowing exactly what you mean by "where is the slam", it is hard to say what your expectations are and if they are achievable without some external subs. Not familiar with the amp either so hopefully it can drive your speakers with the slam they require from the power supply of the amp.
 
Penthouse-D said:
Hi folks,I like my new system quite a bit. I'd like it more if it had some, "slam", and I could feel it. My room is a bit challenging. About 12'X19. using the width, so 12' deep. speakers are about 18" from the back wall and 8' apart. I just added a new power cord to the amp,and the Furutech outlet is still burning in, I just want to feel the music. Maybe my room is , "dead". All suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks!!!
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You room is similar in size to my two channel room, mine is just a couple of feet wider. I too have a slam issue in my room. To get a full 50hz wave you need about 22 feet so there is a fine line between getting slam and overloading the room when you tweek up the volume. It is funny but slam seems more obvious with speakers using smaller woofers but then you seem to lose the naturalness of bass tones.
 
OK Folks. Firstly, thanks for the suggestions. A few things. I can understand how a. Wayne could think I was going into the Furutech distributor.. I have a GTX-NCF wall outlet that I plug my 609 and amp into. I am using the "skinny" wall. 12 feet in total depth. My choices are 0. A work in progress. Have you found closer or further to the rear wall better? I haven't heard much difference....
 
Penthouse-D said:
OK Folks. Firstly, thanks for the suggestions. A few things. I can understand how a. Wayne could think I was going into the Furutech distributor.. I have a GTX-NCF wall outlet that I plug my 609 and amp into. I am using the "skinny" wall. 12 feet in total depth. My choices are 0. A work in progress. Have you found closer or further to the rear wall better? I haven't heard much difference....
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Can you put your chair up against the back wall , then pull speakers forward until you get a lock , best chance for Bass slam and image that way ..


Regards
 
When you are trying to voice closed cabinet speakers I have found a 1/4" is not the same as ported at all. Ported are an easier set & forget in my experience but if you have a good quality sealed speaker in sublime conditions & set up well, what an enjoyable six months until the upgrade fairy's fart!
 
My opinion


Does your room have “normal” furniture?
Does your room have some echo?


So, if it pass the clapping test, in my opinion the problem is in the system, Be it in the amp, be it in the cables.
By the way, my experience with Furutech (entry level) is not so good. And i´m talking precisely about killing the live of the music (i think that´s what you call "slam")
 
Normal furniture. A big couch that may be absorbing some sound. I've done quite a bit of shuffling around. It seems the system sounds MUCH better with the speakers closer together and almost no toe-in. Making some progress. Thank you!!!!!
 
Jim

Assuming you had some or more "slam" in your last place has anything changed in terms of your listening height in relation to the Magico tweeters? Just a thought but some time slightly changing the rake angle of the speaker will change your perception of the speakers frequency balance.
 
Hi Jack, Nothing has changed. I think the toe-in position accentuated the high frequencies. It seems squaring them out a bit toned down the high end. I may be wrong, but it sounds that way. I've read that placement of sealed box speakers is challenging. I agree...
 
Jim

If you have them straight ahead now and level front to back, something quick and easy you can try is putting coins or the spike protectors under the rear spikes and see if that small adjustment tones it down even more. If it is to your liking that way then you can let the back spikes out a bit. Sometimes a quarter to a half inch of forward tilt will do wonders to tame the high end and bring things back in perspective so you hear the low end that was there all along.
 
Thank you. I will try that. I want to listen to it as it's currently set ups for a few days. I like it and want to get used to it. I'll try your idea in a few days. I may even be able to to do it with the outriggers..
 
That is something i learned from over 15 years with three different Vandersteen models which also were sealed designs and fussy about placement. In addition them being 1st order crossover designs made rake angle significant so I learned to check that also with every floorstander since. In Richard's manuals he shows diagrams figuring seating height, tweeter height and distance to determine the correct rake angle. With his speakers it is defined in terms of the number of supplied washers you put between the lock nut on the spike shaft and the cabinet. Even if the placement and seating height stay the same relative to your last place if the seating distance is different it changes the angle. If that works in testing get a handful of the same type of washers from Ace or somewhere similar and use them to you get both speakers the same. May not in your case make a difference but cheap to try.
 
Another question, is the floor concrete, wood etc & what was it in your previous place? Also was it bottom floor or up another level.....?
 
That's a very good questions that I've considered. I'm top floor,5th. The floors are wood over concrete. I think that may have something to do with lack of resonance .
 
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