This is not a definition. What does the horn speaker do so that it is "as if you were listening to a horn speaker"?
Do you mean by "jump factor" vividness, dynamics?
What are some dymanic driver/non-horn speakers that have that "jump" factor?
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This is not a definition. What does the horn speaker do so that it is "as if you were listening to a horn speaker"?
Do you mean by "jump factor" vividness, dynamics?
KeithR
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this ain’t Mágicos strength at all. Sorry to disagree.
AJ Soundfield
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It looks like a horn. The same way an electrostatic is "transparent", etc, etc, etc, etc. The ears only CPU has other hard wired sensors.
You see?
p.s. the typical coaxial speaker is very much a dynamic driver....horn
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Yes, well I'm looking for vivid, dynamics and life in a Cone (have to watch my words with AJ on this thread; lol) speaker.
Something that I don't have to crack the volume for it come alive.
I know there probably isn't one ideal speaker but, just looking to what what other members recommend.
Perhaps I should consider horns?
But, I didn't think they would be a me a good match for my electronics (Spectral)
I didn't want to swap both.
I'm considering either swapping the loudspeaker but, keeping electronics OR
Upgrading to Monoblock amps from Stereo and keep existing speakers.
Sorry to disagree, Keith, but you don't have enough experience with Magico (while you do have more experience than me on other things).
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So, we have a Magico M2 owner on this thread saying they are indeed easier to drive and come alive more so than the Q and S models.
Another member S5kmk2 owner is also looking for something similar as myself.
Al,
What is your experience regarding this?
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So are we measuring how many hours you both have spent listening to Magico speakers at shows, dealers, and friends? Who is keeping the log books so we can see who has the most experience?
Next to having had regular exposure to the M Project, I have heard stunning, extraordinary dynamics on piano and orchestral music from the Q3.
Things always depend on the entire system context and speaker set-up.
The perceived dynamics of Magico speakers are very set-up dependent, whereas my own Reference 3A monitors sound boldly vivid and dynamic almost regardless of where you position them in the room.
AJ Soundfield
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You should consider whatever sounds best to you, regardless of whether horn, direct radiator, panel, etc.
At low volume. That's not a terribly difficult scenario to recreate demo wise, at home, dealer, show, etc.
Not sure what model Spectral, but you most likely have far more than enough power to recreate low volumes, regardless of speaker type and sensitivity.
Your ears, like every other human (regardless of beliefs), follows equal loudness contours, which means you hear things differently at low volumes, vs mid or high volumes. What audiophiles often seek, since they shun things like tone and worse, "loudness" controls (which were once popular when common sense prevailed), are speakers with built in loudness curves.
I.e., tilted up bass and treble native response. That will definitely sound better at low volume! Maybe not so much at mid-high. YMMV.
Side note, I've exhibited dozens of audio shows, meets, etc.
I'd guesstimate 1 in 1000 audiophile attendee actually bring their own tracks to listen and evaluate systems (including loudspeakers) with. These are the very same folks asking questions like yours here.
Somehow they are able to determine certain attributes when there are 50+ variables, unfamiliar equipment, connections, power, sources, rooms, etc, etc....with unfamiliar tracks.
IOW, the one constant/reference: how particular very familiar tracks sound to you at home, say at low volume, on ones own system, are not used, in totally unfamiliar environment evals. Go figure.
Good luck with your search.
cheers,
AJ
To follow up on my message yesterday and some of the subsequent posts about magicos...we must keep in mind that if the recording doesn't have the dynamic range there won't be much jump to speak of anyways. When the recording calls for it the magicos can show the dynamic range vs. recordings that are victims of the loudness wars. However, as much as I love these speakers this is one of their weaker points comparatively...or rather, it takes alot of class a power to coax that snap out of them. An expensive endeavor no matter how you cut it.
steve59
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I had some 93.5 db ef speakers that did have some mid horn color, but drum kits played back on those speakers was really impressive. the dynamics, slam, and presence outweighed their shortcomings and I used them for 25 years. They were also very good low volume speakers.
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Which speakers were they?
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Kef R105/3 from 1990, I mention them more to share my definition of jump factor then a recommendation.
The horn membrane moves nanometers and produces the most dynamic sound. I just don’t think any traditional box speaker can compete in this one area. What is your opposition to horn speakers? I would encourage you to listen to some Avantgarde’s. Duo XD or above preferably.
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I was trying to understand how your old KEF speakers could have “mid horn color” when there are are no horns used in that design.
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Oh I have no opposition to horns. I just assumed they wouldn’t be a good match to my solid state electronics.
I’ve never experienced a modern horn.
steve59
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the tweeter and magnet assembly wasn't any bigger than an inch across and maybe 5/8's deep with about a 2-1/2" stem/mount coming off the back and that thing put out!