Dizzie
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What Brand Class -D .....
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What Brand Class -D .....
No need to know unless you have zero trust of ears.AJ, what amp are you using for the test.
Exactly!No need to know unless you have zero trust of ears.
You can either tell by trusting your ears, or you can't. Which is it?
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Blind tests are for a specific purpose. In the case of what I'm referring to - sound and sound only. Trust only ears, nothing else. YMMV
Of course, there can be poor blind tests. But there are good ones too. Hence they remain the defacto standard of science and the bane of belief.Really a blind test can be a bunch of BS.
Sure, as soon as you move to FL I'll be right overIf you want me to trust my ears, your blind test needs to be done in my house. It needs to be done with my stereo. It needs to be done with my reference recordings.
As I said, that is only for those who trust their ears, not those who don't. I've done countless ones outside my home, so I'm comfortable trusting my ears with sound, not while viewing my home and equipment. Otherwise, how the heck would I set up systems/speakers anywhere else? Luckily, folks in the AES/Harman/Pharmaceutical industry, etc etc can find lots of volunteers so you can enjoy the benefits of your medications, use your cel phone, etc, even though you might prefer they all come to your house to test.For these reasons I find a blind test on an unknown system with Unknown music means little.
I took what you said originally as wanting to remove as many variables as possible - so we are not in disagreement.What would be accurate to say is for there to be a blind test one must truly evaluate what you are trying to test and whether the parameters of the test are designed to seek a result that validates what you were attempting to test for. That's a little muddy in statement but I think you get what I mean.
Because my intent wasn't to embarrass a whole lot of folks. It was to answer a specific question, which is can a large number of audiophiles who might claim differently, actually hear the differences they claim, when they don't know they are listening to a modern, highly competently filtered and designed Class D amp. Maybe seeing (and sometimes hearing) a Class A amp instead.As I have asked a couple times, a thorough briefing of how you perform a blind test is necessary to understand whether your comment of a a/b blind test is valid or not. You seem to not want to share that information.
As I've said many times, I don't listen blind for enjoyment, away or at home. As such, I enjoy looks, feel, etc, etc, etc like everybody else except those who would rather lie to themselves. So have no issue admitting I've bought amps and whatnot just because they look great...to me.If you can share with us the testing parameters that helps everyone to feel comfortable that the results are actually validating a specific claim then we would all be pleased to see the test
Nope, Tampa, just like it says under that picture of George Clooney.I assume you're not in Miami. I was just there two weeks ago at the Audio Salon, Deja Vu, and I'm sorry I spaced out the name of the other place but Felipe was very kindly showed me the boulder amplifiers. What part of Florida is your store in. I'm going to be there again in November and always like to hear nice systems?
If you can share with us the testing parameters that helps everyone to feel comfortable that the results are actually validating a specific claim then we would all be pleased to see the test
All of this aside.... to me, sometimes it comes down purley to the feeling you get from certain pieces of your gear. Take for example my PS Audio M700's. I have no rhyme or reason to it, and they sound amazing, but they just don't give me that warm and cuddly feeling. My pre-amp does, my DAC definitely does, my speakers very much do.... and I know that unless I get something massively more expensive the chances of getting improved sound is minimal, at best.
I do still long for tubes.... no idea why... but also miss the First Watt. But sound quality, I would say the M700's may very well be as good as any I have owned...
Amps I enjoyed the most through my discoveries are:
* the ARC VT-50. Love the build of this amp, but was a bit mushy sounding compared to more modern amps.... decided it would not be my long term solution....
* the Job 225 (twice).... just did not feel it was my long term solution, but really love that little amp...
* Quicksilver Silver 88's... really like the design and sound, but they were far too finicky in my system (may have been something just not "right" with the amps themself)
I was seriously thinking of getting some new Quicksilver's, but really think I want to stick with Balanced since recently upping my game on balanced cables. Wish I could get my hands on the Job Mono's.... still can't believe that Goldmund stopped making them....
So anyway, Class D, what I am using as an excellent example, really hold their own in sound quality. I can honestly say that I know I couldn't have picked any of the others as better sounding without some serious serious side by side back and forth, and then the M700''s may very well have won.
But, they just don't give me warm and fuzzies.... and I don't know why. Design wise, seem very well made.... solid built, love the bi-wiring capability, which I use...
For me the M700's have far too much power.... To a point that I have to set HQPlayer at -20db output so that I have more control at lower levels from my pre-amp. I could set the DAC to use it's volume control instead of bi-passing it with the line switch... Not sure which way would be better actually, setting lower output on HQPlayer or using the DAC volume to turn it down a little (opinions on this one are very much welcomed).
I would definitely lower the output of your day unless it is digital volume. If so sure shave a bit off, say 3db but I wouldn't go lower .
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Then I reckon your better off reducing it to the desired level e.g. the source.Hehe, love auto correct.... I believe the T+A has a resistor ladder analog volume section.