USB cables...snake oil?

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So, many audiophiles are convinced that USB cables impact the sound.

The non-believers counter that anything that is entirely digital cannot sound different. It's all 1s and 0s so either the data is bit perfect or it's not and any $10 usb cable is capable of transmitting bit perfect digital data.

Now, one explanation for why a USB cable may sound different (other than placebo) is jitter. USB cables transmitting typical computer file data only are concerned with getting the data from point A to point B, but when the data is going to a DAC chip that must construct an analog signal, timing becomes a critical factor because when the original analog signal is encoded into binary it slices the analog signal at exactly and precisely equidistant points. If you do not reconstruct the analog signal back from digital using the same precise equidistant points then your signal is degraded. This precise reconstruction is highly dependent on the clock being used to time each data point in the digital stream. Any deviation from perfectly timed intervals between data points is referred to as jitter.

But you know all this. But here's the kicker with regard to USB cables, most USB DACSs are immune to jitter introduced by the incoming digital signal. I'm not saying the jitter is low, I'm saying the jitter (data timing irregularities) introduced by the cable is entirely irrelevant because most audiophile USB DACs use an asynchronous USB protocol. What this means is the data is just sent to the DAC and piled up in a buffer in the DAC. Then the DAC uses its own internal clock to read the data as it converts it to analog. This far better because the clock is closer to the DAC chip and distance introduces jitter but also because the clocking done by a typical computer was not designed for the ultra precise process of digital to analog conversion since most digital data that computers transmit is not relying on the integrity of the clock for accurate data transmission. When you copy a file from one place to another, it's going to be digital on both ends, clocking is irrelevant. So, with asynch USB transmission the precise and highly sophisticated on board DAC clock is used. BTW, jitter is still a factor because it can and will be introduced to some extent within the DAC itself as it reconstructs the analog signal from its own data buffer using its own internal clock. But that jitter is likely to be far less.

So in the context of asynch DACS jitter from the USB cable is irrelevant as it cannot impact the sound. Why then would USB cables sound different?
 
Don't stop with USB cables. Using your rationale, why should any digital cable make a difference? All cables have a sound they impart to the signal flowing through them because of the relationships between inductance, capacitance, and resistance that are used to wind any particular cable by any manufacturer. You either hear those differences or you don't. If you don't hear any differences between cables, then you should buy the cheapest ones you can get your hands on including USB cables.
 
Hi Jax,

I cannot give you a theoretical explanation as to why some USB cables sound significantly better than others. I have owned three USB cables (Cardas Clear, Audioquest Diamond and Wireworld Platinum Starlight) and each one sounded materially different from the other. From exhaustive comparative listening, ripped CD AIFF downloads on the first two USB cables fell well short of the actual CD's played on my K-01. However, when I hooked up a Wireworld Platinum Starlight USB cable, the sound quality of the ripped CD AIFF downloads actually exceeded the sound quality of the same CDs played on my K-01. I honestly never thought this could be possible (I always believed that the USB connection was inferior) but I try to keep an open mind with this stuff.

Best,
Ken
 
Don't stop with USB cables. Using your rationale, why should any digital cable make a difference? All cables have a sound they impart to the signal flowing through them because of the relationships between inductance, capacitance, and resistance that are used to wind any particular cable by any manufacturer. You either hear those differences or you don't. If you don't hear any differences between cables, then you should buy the cheapest ones you can get your hands on including USB cables.

Coax and toslink cables are susceptible to introducing jitter and in the case of coax and toslink, the jitter is not mitigated by the DAC as in an asynch usb protocol. Those cables should sound different because they will all intoduce jitter differently.
 
Hi Jax,

I cannot give you a theoretical explanation as to why some USB cables sound significantly better than others. I have owned three USB cables (Cardas Clear, Audioquest Diamond and Wireworld Platinum Starlight) and each one sounded materially different from the other. From exhaustive comparative listening, ripped CD AIFF downloads on the first two USB cables fell well short of the actual CD's played on my K-01. However, when I hooked up a Wireworld Platinum Starlight USB cable, the sound quality of the ripped CD AIFF downloads actually exceeded the sound quality of the same CDs played on my K-01. I honestly never thought this could be possible (I always believed that the USB connection was inferior) but I try to keep an open mind with this stuff.

Best,
Ken

Good to hear since that's the same usb cable I use. : )

im not saying they don't sound different. Maybe they do, maybe they don't and it's just placebo effect. But that's not my point. I'm just looking for plausible theories as to why they might actually sound different. And I don't find cable jitter to be a plausible theory. At least not as I understand the technology.
 
Good to hear since that's the same usb cable I use. : )

im not saying they don't sound different. Maybe they do, maybe they don't and it's just placebo effect. But that's not my point. I'm just looking for plausible theories as to why they might actually sound different. And I don't find cable jitter to be a plausible theory. At least not as I understand the technology.

Jax,

Pure silver is a better conductor than pure copper or silver-clad copper. Perhaps this has something to do with it.

Ken
 
I wouldn't disagree that the jitter theory is hard to defend, especially for asynchronous USB.

My experience is that in fact digital signal is THE most fragile link in the hi-fi chain, and that differences are tremendous between type of hard drives, digital cables (including Ethernet!), types of streamers/renderers, streaming vs local playing, etc.

But assuming that all bit-perfects transmissions will give the same result musically isn't logical. Just because a source is digital doesn't means its only influence on a system is the integrity of the digital signal or the lack thereof. Especially if you measure the integrity of the digital signal as analyzed by a receiving computer, as opposed as by the resulting music through a DAC and a whole system.

There's all the kinds of noise carried with the signal. A digital signal is fundamentally an analog signal, it never has the perfect shape of 1 and 0 we imagine, and it carries frequencies we don't look at.

For file transfer, those noises don't mess with it, but for conversion, they seem to. I know Antipodes focus on interferences created by electronic noise. I also know first hand that galvanic isolation is fundamental for the musical result of USB audio, and that this problem gets more complicated/expensive to solve as the bitrate elevates.

Also, all cables are part of the ground path in a system, and the fact is that this impacts how a system sounds a lot too. Not to mention the oldest electronics 101: every cable is an emitter and a receiver.
 
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