Topping or MSB?

nc42acc said:
I don’t think that is the answer AJ. Money doesn’t always make a happy audiophile, but will make some happy.
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Well, its not quite 50/50, by any stretch. Just this thread being Exhibit A.

nc42acc said:
I am assuming you are stressing the cost of the item and how luxurious it feels and looks in your rack? This may be true for 50% but is insulting to the other 50%.
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Marty, there is no "insult" to being human and being profoundly affected by price, street cred, etc.
Just a moment...
Double-Blind Violin Test: Can You Pick The Strad? : Deceptive Cadence : NPR
etc, etc, etc
 
AJ I understand the double blind testing and debunking most high end audio nonsense. My criteria in buying audio gear is does it reproduce music as naturally and true to life as possible. At my point in life the cost factor is not as important as it was when I was in my 20s but the criteria has never changed. There is a place for everyone in this hobby. I think we are good to say we can agree to disagree and hope we both get immense musical enjoyment from our audio systems. Relax and enjoy the music.


AJ Soundfield said:
Well, its not quite 50/50, by any stretch. Just this thread being Exhibit A.


Marty, there is no "insult" to being human and being profoundly affected by price, street cred, etc.
Just a moment...
Double-Blind Violin Test: Can You Pick The Strad? : Deceptive Cadence : NPR
etc, etc, etc
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AJ let me ask you this if I may. As a speaker designer and manufacturer if you produce a speaker that has a perfect Harman curve in room response and another designer/manufacturer builds a speaker with a carbon copy replica of your speakers response will they sound the same?
Sorry using dissimilar drivers but achieving the same results.

AJ Soundfield said:
Well, its not quite 50/50, by any stretch. Just this thread being Exhibit A.


Marty, there is no "insult" to being human and being profoundly affected by price, street cred, etc.
Just a moment...
Double-Blind Violin Test: Can You Pick The Strad? : Deceptive Cadence : NPR
etc, etc, etc
Click to expand...
 
nc42acc said:
AJ I understand the double blind testing and debunking most high end audio nonsense. My criteria in buying audio gear is does it reproduce music as naturally and true to life as possible. At my point in life the cost factor is not as important as it was when I was in my 20s but the criteria has never changed. There is a place for everyone in this hobby. I think we are good to say we can agree to disagree and hope we both get immense musical enjoyment from our audio systems. Relax and enjoy the music.
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I think we are in agreement without you realizing it ;).
You know I make/sell $42k speakers right?
Whatever makes one happy.

cheers,

AJ
 
nc42acc said:
As a speaker designer and manufacturer if you produce a speaker that has a perfect Harman curve in room response.
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There is no Harman Curve

nc42acc said:
another designer/manufacturer builds a speaker with a carbon copy replica of your speakers response will they sound the same?
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Absolutely not...unless you mean anechoically 3D. The latter being critical, since I make very few monopole radiators.
DACs and Preamps, etc are electronic signal passers. Speakers are signal transducers, into rooms, so best not compared.
In room curve(s) from a pressure mic are best not used to judge 2 ears/brain SQ
Btw, I've never heard either Topping 90 pre or dac, though I doubt I would.

cheers
 
Sorry I just see that “Harman” curve touted as the ideal and best a loudspeaker can be. I guess you read and see something enough you start to believe it. Go figure.



AJ Soundfield said:
There is no Harman Curve


Absolutely not...unless you mean anechoically 3D. The latter being critical, since I make very few monopole radiators.
DACs and Preamps, etc are electronic signal passers. Speakers are signal transducers, into rooms, so best not compared.
In room curve(s) from a pressure mic are best not used to judge 2 ears/brain SQ
Btw, I've never heard either Topping 90 pre or dac, though I doubt I would.

cheers
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I have the Topping D90 DAC (the original non-SE version which uses in my opinion superior AKM 4499 DACs) and dCS Bartok in my office system. The later - sadly - still sounds noticably superior. I said sadly, as I would rather sell the dCS, keep the D90 and pocket the change.

That said - Topping D90 has INCREDIBLE value.
 
I think it is a catch phrase used by the disciples who worship at the feet of anything from Harman.

rbbert said:
I was going to post this as well. I don't recall every reading the term "Harman Curve", and I have read quite a bit about Harman's and Floyd Toole's loudspeaker testing methods and findings.
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AJ Soundfield said:
I think we are in agreement without you realizing it ;).
You know I make/sell $42k speakers right?
Whatever makes one happy.

cheers,

AJ
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Does street cred or lack thereof affect your ability to sell $42K speakers? Is your target market the surround sound crowd or are you selling into the 2 channel stereo crowd that you have no shortage of disparaging remarks for?
 
mep said:
Does street cred or lack thereof affect your ability to sell $42K speakers?
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No idea, maybe you could start a poll? I sell as fast as I can make, outside my full time job. So there's that.

mep said:
Is your target market the surround sound crowd or are you selling into the 2 channel stereo crowd that you have no shortage of disparaging remarks for?
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My speakers are too dumb to know whether they will be placed in 2 or more channels systems. They just transduce electricity to sound. My target market is whoever emails or calls next for some speakers.
You ever try happiness, laughter etc?
 
AJ I didn’t know the speaker building was your side hustle. What is the daytime gig if I may ask?
 
AJ Soundfield said:
No idea, maybe you could start a poll? I sell as fast as I can make, outside my full time job. So there's that.
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Your statement is meaningless without proper context. How many pairs of any of your speakers can you make in a month outside of your full time job? Are you building the cabinets or do you have them made for you? How many pairs of speakers do you average selling every month?


AJ Soundfield said:
My speakers are too dumb to know whether they will be placed in 2 or more channels systems. They just transduce electricity to sound. My target market is whoever emails or calls next for some speakers.
You ever try happiness, laughter etc?
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So now you are Mr. Mirth? I'm happily retired and laugh all the time. I don't run a one-man crusade to denigrate two channel audio on an audio forum dedicated to two channel audio. I believe your favorite word you use to describe/call people who really enjoy 2 channel audio is "Luddites."

So where are you displaying all your happiness and laughter Mr. Mirth? I think your idea of happiness and laughter comes from denigrating 2 channel audiophiles.
 
// Well.....a good friend with a nice system (Tannoy Westminster, Acoustic Signature Montana, Canary Amps, etc) bought a Topping preamp as a back up and prefered it over his Audio Research Ref 6 preamp. I couldn't believe it when he actually sold the Ref 6. //

Had to be a money thing, but he just did not want to admit it.
 
nc42acc said:
AJ I didn’t know the speaker building was your side hustle. What is the daytime gig if I may ask?
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Humility Training Consultant. ;-)

Don't get sucked down by this gent's jabs and sarcasm along with a healthy dollop of insults. Life's too short and there's no shortage of self - proclaimed experts to burst your bubble all the while with a virtual kick in the shorts.
 
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