Top brands that have no respect

[Mike]

I read claims elsewhere that some newer Hi-Res or remastered releases applied more compression than their older 16/44.1 releases, so this may be a possible reason.

I watched it happen with my own eyes. Indeed it’s true.


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[Mike]

You would like to think that can't be true because it inherently doesn't make sense they would apply more compression, but something is clearly going on.

Online downloadable/purchasable music sites were a driving force. Take the 16/44 file, upsample it with compression.

Again, saw it with my own eyes.

That being said, the 24/96 file was most commonly the “master” and that was upsampled to 24/192 and subsequently charged out at a higher price.


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[wklie]

If memory serves me, I also read from a prominent audio site that claimed that some vinyl releases applied distinctly less compression than the equivalent digital version released at the same time, because the latter is meant for listening with your phone.

 

[Mike]

If memory serves me, I also read from a prominent audio site that claimed that some vinyl releases applied distinctly less compression than the equivalent digital version released at the same time, because the latter is meant for listening with your phone.

Magic Vinyl vs Digital – What is the best edition of an album, vinyl, cassette, digital (CD, SACD, Streaming), in stereo, 5.1, Dolby Atmos or Sony 360 RA? Who has never asked this question?


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[NewAlkyogre]

Does upsampling of audiophiles makes sense in all cases, and let improve sound quality?

Fact is: upsampling does not add new information, it is like a photo picture, make it 2 times as big, and you donÂ’t get more pixels. With some software like photoshop it is possible to sharpen the picture, the new added pixels are all theoretical and artificial. With upsampling in audio the same: new bits are mathematically added, there is no new info.

When I visited an audio show, 2 technicians disagreed a bit about if upsampling is good or not, at another room, no discussion sadly.

The one said that adding new bits does give a better sound. Not because new info is added, but because the reconstruction filter in the dac could handle those high sample frequencies better giving a better analog signal as result.

The other one made very high quality non oversampling dacs, saying that those dacs are very good nos and donÂ’t need any upsampling at all. Think he is right about this, this set was one of the best sounding audiosets in the whole show, it was unbelievable good.

Half year ago, I acquired a new cd player, with all old philips running gear and lasers inside. Although the sound is limited to cd quality I wished that my streaming was that good. Currently my cd player wins on SQ

These are the reasons I have some doubts about upsampling: the experts donÂ’t agree and more important cd quality can sound very good. It might be that at the end upsampling does get a better result, but with my stuff I think that these high sample rates are not audible.

 

[wklie]

Does upsampling of audiophiles makes sense in all cases, and let improve sound quality?

Whether upsampling improves sound quality depends on the DAC and user preferences, but this should be a choice of the user. You don't need the experts to agree on that in the same sense that you don't need the world to agree on the best cable. You just pick what sounds good to you.

Note that upsampling as a user choice from your hardware or software player is a different issue from getting a fake upsampled version of an album, which again is different from getting a real Hi-Res recording (or conversion from analog master tape) of an album, which again is a different issue from discussing whether real Hi-Res necessarily sounds better than ripped or streamed CD. These are also separate issues from whether you prefer the SQ from a CD player or from a streaming setup - you can have different SQ from the CD vs streaming the same CD due to the different hardware setup even if the CD and streaming have the same bits.

 

[Porsche]

lol, nice way to take over a thread
:congrats:

 

[atmasphere]

If memory serves me, I also read from a prominent audio site that claimed that some vinyl releases applied distinctly less compression than the equivalent digital version released at the same time, because the latter is meant for listening with your phone.

Actually its because the digital release is likely to be played not only on a phone but also a car. There's no expectation of that for the LP release, so a good producer will see to it that the LP source file has no DSP other than normalization.

 

[stereogeek]

I will mention Ayon, although I get the feeling there isn't much love for the national dealer. The other one is VTL, i have had a few of their amps and they have been very good.

 

[a.wayne]

Ayon i can agree , but VTL ? They are well known and respected ...


Regards

 

[Puma Cat]

Why worry about it? Listen to what you like...that is all that matters.

Here's some helpful quotes from our good buddy and advocate of the philosophy of Stoicism, Marcus Aurelius:

"It never ceases to amaze me: we all love ourselves more than other people but care more about their opinion than our own."

and....

“Tranquility…comes when you stop caring what others say. Or think, or do. Only what you do.”

Life's to short to be worrying about all this, or trying to count the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. IMHO, it's much more important to make EVERY day...COUNT.

So, with that mind, do something that provides you with...fulfillment.

I'm a big fan of Marcus. I also like the quote from Hans Beekhuizen: "Enjoy the music."

Hans and Marcus have their priorities right...

 

[stereogeek]

My 1st tube amp was a little VTL, I think it was 12wpc or so? I had never heard midrange like that before, it was crazy good.