Today's High End Audio Compared To Vintage Audio And How You Got There.

randrew2

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How did you get interested in today's high end audio equipment? Back when I was getting into audio in the mid 70's we had one local dealer that sold McIntosh That was what I thought of as high end audio and in the mid 70's I think that it probably was. I looked at the Mac equipment and headed to the section of the store that I could afford, the Japanese electronics area. I've heard of conrad johnson, krell, and a few others, maybe seen them once or twice but much of the equipment in your signatures I've never even heard of. I have taken the opportunity to google some of the units and to learn a little bit about them. I joined this forum to hopefully learn about the equipment and the people that make up today's high end audio scene. I'm sure many of you started having an interest in stereo equipment many years ago and still have some of your vintage stereo equipment. How does your modern equipment compare to your vintage equipment? I have heard some modern speakers that I feel would blow most vintage speakers out of the water but in my case I have embraced the older stereo equipment, even older then I grew up with. I'm pulled to the equipment from around 1960 to the end of the 80's tube or solid state. I am amazed how good a Dynaco ST-35 amplifier or Fisher 800-C receiver can sound when operating to spec. Tube equipment that was designed and build 50 years ago that makes me want to keep listening. What more can I ask for. Add to that the look of the equipment that I like and that for the most part the equipment was engineered to be serviced. I do service my own equipment as I enjoy that part of the hobby also
 
My dad always had what I considered to be a great stereo. When my oldest brother was born, he purchased a full Fisher stereo component system, all tube gear. I still have the amp and there were several systems afterward.

My second oldest brother was the one to have the best system. I remember always loving the music and lusting after the gear. We even purchased kits to build and loved playing them after the last solder joint cooled. I've gone more crazy in the last 5-6 years but used to go to the stereo stores and oogle the stereos, purchasing when I could. My systems were always pretty stable until I could see from these forums all the amazing gear and what was possible.
 
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Cool post randrew2.

My timeline is a whole lot shorter than yours. I was lucky enough to wade into the Hi-Fi pool right when direct-to-consumer businesses began to pop-up and challenge members of the old guard. The cornucopia of competition resulted in a fury of high performance, high value products. Despite the progress however, most of the Hi-Fi components back then tended to possess a distinct set of strengths and weaknesses. The stuff that was thought of as being "great all-arounders" usually earned the title because they did everything well, but nothing extraordinary.

Fast forward 10 or so years later...

While global economic situations have certainly influenced the marketplace - we seem to be living in a time of great diversity insofar as Hi-Fi's concerned. Products have simply, well, gotten better. With each and every single passing year, I noticed that more companies are releasing products that are great (and not just good) at just about everything that we audiophiles care about. And despite the rising costs of doing business, it's now easily possible to assemble an excellent sounding system for under $1,000 USD. I'm not talking used or DIY kits either. I'm talking about brand-spankin' new gear that comes with full-on warranty support - something that was unheard of just 10 years ago!

Yeah, B&M stores are quickly becoming a thing of the past - and time will tell what the ramifications of this trend will be - but for now, I think audiophiles have a lot to be thankful for.
 
Joe and Zero, thanks for taking the time to write. Joe, my other half's father purchased a console stereo with fisher electronics in it in 1964. Still has the receipt for $1050. Lots of money for 1964 and still proud of it today. Zero, I am not up to speed on the newer electronic as much as I should be but I have heard some of the modern speakers. There are a number of them that have impressed me at a responsible price. I'll have to start checking out the electronics closer. Thanks again guys for the response.

Chris
 
OK, I'll weigh in.
Growing up during the time of vintage audio I often sat in wonder of the fine gear of the day. My parents only had a console system (you know mid-century deal). I think they got it from Sears. I don't know what they paid, but I'm sure back then it was a fortune. I remember it had a tuner on one side with a hole for records and on the other side was a turntable. A stacker to be exact. I'm not sure about the make, but I'd be willing to bet that it was a Gerard (or most likely made by the company for Sears).
I remember it was all metal and had a flip needle. I eventually came to know it as the record chewer.

Back then I did not know about other gear such as separates and all that one could do. However, when ever we went to friends of family or extended family houses for gatherings, about half of them had fine audio gear of the day. I remember at a young age that I would sit in front of said gear mesmerized by the shiny silver or lights and meters or both. Then there was the sound, oh the sound! Always on low, but I remember hearing every detail in the music. My parents never had to look for me at these occasions, I was always parked in front of the system. I remember my Dad's sister and her husband and kids place. They had a console system as will and my cousins had players with color organs. Everytime we would visit I and my cousins would go to their room and play records. I was fascinated by the color organs.
To this day, I wish I had one!

After a time I remember going into shops where they had fine gear and just looking at it wishing I would have a system someday.
Sadly, I never got my first real turntable or even mid-fi gear until the early 80s!! Way late to the party! However, still mesmerized by the finer stuff which was still out of reach.
It was not until about 6 or 7 years ago I finally got some of the stuff I was drawn to back in the early 70s! I now have a vintage system and a modern system and I am grateful and feel fortunate to have it.
Comparing them is not easy and I would say for me personally, there is no comparing them in a sense. The sounds are really different and both pleasurable to me.
With my vintage system I am running a pair of DCM TF-600s currently. Those were considered high-end back in the day. I have been enjoying their sound, especially with my Sansui receiver from the 70s. However, I have to say that speaker technology has come a long way and speakers are better than ever these days and vastly improved in my opinion and I am looking to replace the Time Frames down the road soon. I've kind of grown fatigued with them.
As for amps, those too have changed, but in my opinion not necessarily resulting in new ones sounding better than the vintage ones, but rather sounding different.
For me, I like both some of today's high-end and some of the vintage stuff. I like the choice of easily noticeable different sound.
I have a couple of pieces these days that are considered "high-end", but not much. My finance situation has never changed, still much of the high-end stuff to me is unobtainable. I'm grateful for what I do have and can attempt to reach for, at least over time.

I'm also very lucky to have a tech that knows vintage audio and higher-end stuff inside and out and I've had him work on a couple of pieces. In fact, I am fixing to have him do a complete re-cap on my beloved Sansui guaranteeing another 30 years of service.
That's the one thing about vintage gear that also stands out to me, the endurance. My vintage system and gear is 40 years old at least and it's still going!

For me, I look at it as all good. One thing that has transferred over both systems are my turntables. I like the legacy tables over many of the new ones out there for some reason. So I run a legacy table in both systems.

The bottom line for me is it all makes music and engages one in the music, that is what matters most and it's different strokes for different folks.

~Eric
 
Eric, you wrote.....
"The bottom line for me is it all makes music and engages one in the music, that is what matters most and it's different strokes for different folks."

I agree, the common thread for all of us is the music. I find it interesting: "the story" behind the music and thank you for taking the time to write. I have purchased vintage equipment on craigslist for many years. I hear stories of pride, sadness and humor. If I do not ask "what can you tell me about this equipment?" the story will be lost forever. I write their stories down on paper and maybe it will be passed along when the day comes that I do not have the equipment any longer. Really it only takes a few minutes. I guess kind of like family....asking the questions while you can because once the family member is gone, the story is gone forever.

Chris
 
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