To jab or not to jab

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NorthStar said:
Even the Kids with lung and heart conditions?
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That is a risk group that probably should be vaccinated but even with that, what are the statistics of that age group?

That’s is really for the experts to determine.

These are all just my own opinions on the subject.


In the United States and globally, fewer cases of COVID-19 have been reported in children (age 0-17 years) compared with adults.1,2 While children comprise 22% of the U.S. population,3 the most recent data, available through the CDC, show that some cases of COVID-19 in the United States reported to CDC were among children.4 The number and rate of cases in children in the United States have been steadily increasing since March 2020. The true incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in children is not known due to lack of widespread testing and the prioritization of testing for adults and those with severe illness. Hospitalization rates in children are significantly lower than hospitalization rates in adults with COVID-19, suggesting that children may have less severe illness from COVID-19 compared to adults.
 
dminches said:
So I guess you would have been against vaccinating kids against measles, small pox, polio and all the other diseases kids are protected against? None of these had long term trials before they were used universally? We all survived.
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Some paid dearly as I already posted above. Vaccines do go wrong. Why set up a National Compensation fund for vaccines (not COVID, you are on your own with that) National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program | Official web site of the U.S. Health Resources & Services Administration
 
I’m not an anti-vaxxer by the way. I simply wish with the millions of people getting vaccinated, that we could have taken a more careful approach to be sure no one will regret it. Well, it’s too late for some already but they are statistically insignificant in this mad rush to stomp out the yet another virus
 
dminches said:
For the record, 25 year olds are not kids. They are young adults. No one is suggesting full vaccination for 5 years olds.
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With more than 44 million people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 in the United States, many adults are hopeful that a more normal life is on the horizon. Now families are wondering when vaccines will be available for teens and children.

Covid-19 vaccines currently authorized in the United States are only available for adults, except Pfizer/BioNTech's vaccine, which is authorized for people ages 16 and older.
While there's a chance that a vaccine will be available to high school and middle school-age children by this fall, younger children may still be months away from vaccination when the upcoming school year begins. Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has said younger children may have to wait until the first quarter of 2022.
 
35-40% of adults in the US are saying they don’t want to get a vaccine. If that’s what really happens things won’t change much. The virus will continue to spread and dominate society.
 
dminches said:
35-40% of adults in the US are saying they don’t want to get a vaccine. If that’s what really happens things won’t change much. The virus will continue to spread and dominate society.
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All pandemics end. Two years seems to be the norm...
 
It has been more than a year since the first "recognized" cases of Covid started appearing. There was a whole "epidemic" of pneumonias in some countries the fall of 2019 but I won't get into that...


Covid-19 may have infected 10 percent of world's population, WHO says
“Best estimates” indicate that 1 in 10 people may have contracted the virus — more than 20 times the number of those confirmed, world health body says.

Scary headlines indeed...

But instead of guessing at what may have happened, let's take a look at what we do know..

Total cases 124,790,051

Total deaths 2,745,386

World Population 7.674 billion

Percentage of known and reported cases of COVID worldwide expressed as a percentage of global population... 0.00035770132

the math on deaths vs world population would have too many zeros to mean anything at all (as sad as that sounds of course)


Let's hope our "experts" know what they are doing....
 
dminches said:
So that means over 1 million deaths in the US and thousand and thousands of long term health issues. Sorry, but I don’t think we just sit around and let that happen.
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The real test will be if the vaccinations become mandatory... Of course don't forget the 3 Million yearly deaths due to the usual causes.

Philosophically speaking, our planet is like the Grand Central Station. People arriving and leaving every minute. The turnover is unstoppable and has been so since this planet harbored life... One should also not mess with nature in labs and try to gain functions of diseases they have no clue how to fight later on....
 
I think it is a legitimate question. The experts seem so certain about the various aspects of the vaccines after all.

How long does immunity last after getting the vaccine?

All COVID-19 vaccines have only been around for a very short amount of time. Because of this, it’s not known exactly how long immunity lasts after being vaccinated. This is true for both one-dose and two-dose vaccines.

Going forward, scientists will continue to study the different COVID-19 vaccines and how long their immunity lasts.

Even though we don’t know how long protection from COVID-19 vaccines lasts, it’s still very important to receive your vaccination when it’s available to you.

This is because getting vaccinated can prevent you from getting COVID-19. Even if you do get the disease, you’ll have a much lower risk for developing a serious or life threatening illness.
 
Can the vaccine protect you against other strains of the new coronavirus?
Over the past several months, new strains, or variants, of SARS-CoV-2 have been identified. There have been concerns about about how effective the vaccines are against these new variants. Two new strains you may have heard a lot about are:

B.1.1.7 (the “U.K. variant”)
B.1.351 (the “South African variant”)
Laboratory (test tube) studies have been performed with these strains and the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. Initial data indicates that these vaccines may be less effective against the South African strain.

One report tested antibodies generated by the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine against a test virus containing the spike protein mutations found in the South African variant. When compared to an early strain of the novel coronavirus, antibody neutralization of this virus was two-thirds weaker.

A similar report looked at the ability of antibodies generated by the Moderna vaccine to neutralize test viruses. While viruses from the U.K. variant were neutralized, researchers saw a 6.4-fold drop in neutralization for the South African strain.

It’s important to note that this is still a developing area of study. Researchers will continue to investigate the impact that emerging strains have on current and future COVID-19 vaccines.
 
The 1968 pandemic was caused by an influenza A (H3N2) virus comprised of two genes from an avian influenza A virus, including a new H3 hemagglutinin, but also contained the N2 neuraminidase from the 1957 H2N2 virus. It was first noted in the United States in September 1968. The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older. The H3N2 virus continues to circulate worldwide as a seasonal influenza A virus. Seasonal H3N2 viruses, which are associated with severe illness in older people, undergo regular antigenic drift.
 
TheOctopus said:
I think it is a legitimate question. The experts seem so certain about the various aspects of the vaccines after all.

How long does immunity last after getting the vaccine?

All COVID-19 vaccines have only been around for a very short amount of time. Because of this, it’s not known exactly how long immunity lasts after being vaccinated. This is true for both one-dose and two-dose vaccines.

Going forward, scientists will continue to study the different COVID-19 vaccines and how long their immunity lasts.

Even though we don’t know how long protection from COVID-19 vaccines lasts, it’s still very important to receive your vaccination when it’s available to you.

This is because getting vaccinated can prevent you from getting COVID-19. Even if you do get the disease, you’ll have a much lower risk for developing a serious or life threatening illness.
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Finally, this is a post that I agree with. What you have stated before about the risks of the vaccination (mainly the RNA based versions) is also very true, BUT one can not really know what the negative impacts for the long term are...which has always been somewhat true, even when folk like Jonas Salk were developing their vaccinations....and yet today I doubt that most people would be too scared of the polio vaccination...vs. the nightmare of getting polio!
 
1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus)

In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.
 
Pearce Harrison said:
Finally, this is a post that I agree with. What you have stated before about the risks of the vaccination (mainly the RNA based versions) is also very true, BUT one can not really know what the negative impacts for the long term are...which has always been somewhat true, even when folk like Jonas Salk were developing their vaccinations....and yet today I doubt that most people would be too scared of the polio vaccination...vs. the nightmare of getting polio!
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Well, there were some real issues with the Polio vaccine as you may know and people actually got Polio and became paralyzed for life over the fear of well, being paralyzed for life....

A virus that may cause paralysis and is easily preventable by the polio vaccine however.

Except it was kids who could not make that choice for themselves. But yes, I have zero problems or hesitation with serious disease vaccines that have been proven long term in general.
 
TheOctopus said:
1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus)

In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.
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All of which is interesting, but how is this relevant? The current death toll after just over 1 year in the US is more than 500K! That is more people dead than died in the Vietnam and Korean war put together!
 
Well alrighty then...


n the spring of 2009, a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus emerged. It was detected first in the United States and spread quickly across the United States and the world. This new H1N1 virus contained a unique combination of influenza genes not previously identified in animals or people. This virus was designated as influenza A (H1N1)pdm09 virus. Ten years later work continues to better understand influenza, prevent disease, and prepare for the next pandemic.
 
TheOctopus said:
Well, there were some real issues with the Polio vaccine as you may know and people actually got Polio and became paralyzed for life over the fear of well, being paralyzed for life....

A virus that may cause paralysis and is easily preventable by the polio vaccine however.

Except it was kids who could not make that choice for themselves. But yes, I have zero problems or hesitation with serious disease vaccines that have been proven long term in general.
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And there will be some issues with the Covid vaccinations, my point being that nobody in their right mind today would risk getting polio vs taking the polio vaccination. I'm sure there were plenty of naysayers when Salk invented the polio vaccination as well....
 
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