The Ultimate MAGICO Experience for Audioshark Members - Saturday August 27, 2016

still-one said:
I don't think he was attacking Wolf personally, rather questioning those speakers in "that" room. Whether he is biased against Magico it didn't come across that way in the article. Even for the most pro- Magico customer I think many would agree it is easier to tailor most of Wilson's larger speakers to less than perfect rooms due to all of the driver adjustments. That doesn't make Wilson a better speaker.

It's funny that when MF was playing his selections at one of Paragon's events last year, a few of us walked out due to his choice of music.
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I don't agree. In my experience, the bass bump and ported design was a nightmare.


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LVB said:
Well, In think he went further than that…




Haven't seen a Magico review in SP since 2010, I find it odd, that one of the only 2 largest, most relevant, publication in the US (maybe the world), ignore a well known US brand like Magico.




Why minimize someone else opinion? If YOU don’t care don't post.
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They ignore a legacy Brand like Genesis , at least Magico got some recent play ...

btw , i dont believe the absence of Magico Reviews in SP is all them , Both parties have to agree for it to happen ....
 
a.wayne said:
There are good and bad ported designs , the best ported design i have heard , is a standup Bass ...

:)
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Very room and setup dependent. I've found REAR ported designs can cause more problems than downward or front ported designs and I've had very little problems setting up sealed designs.


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still-one said:
I don't think he was attacking Wolf personally, rather questioning those speakers in "that" room. Whether he is biased against Magico it didn't come across that way in the article. Even for the most pro- Magico customer I think many would agree it is easier to tailor most of Wilson's larger speakers to less than perfect rooms due to all of the driver adjustments. That doesn't make Wilson a better speaker.

It's funny that when MF was playing his selections at one of Paragon's events last year, a few of us walked out due to his choice of music.
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In my experience ported designs are much more difficoult to setup is problematic rooms than sealed box designs.
 
Mike said:
I don't agree. In my experience, the bass bump and ported design was a nightmare.


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Mike
As an example I doubt there is any way one of the larger Magico speakers would ever sound optimal in MF's listening room. It is too small. With Wilson's he is able to adjust/direct the mid's and tweeter drivers towards his listening position to "help" offset the small room size.

I have no desire to debate the ported versus sealed enclosure issue. IMO it is all set-up and room dependent.
 
Mike said:
Very room and setup dependent. I've found REAR ported designs can cause more problems than downward or front ported designs and I've had very little problems setting up sealed designs.


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Mike
Magico should have had you set up their gear at past RMAF's. They never sounded great at the Marriott but shined at the Hyatt and in my local dealers space.
 
kiwi_1282001 said:
LoL. Brilliant.


We can add the double bass and many orchestral instruments – all with ported cabinets (nee sound holes) which enable them to project their sound more efficiently at low frequencies and with greater acoustic power and headroom via the physics of energy release rather than attempted containment.
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I guess it depends on whether you look at speakers as a musical instrument or mechanical instrument. It comes down to the whole theory of introducing colorations into the music from ports and vibrating cabinets. Not saying one is right and one is wrong, as ultimately it's a preference. If you're the type of person who is seeking out the purest (as in least coloration), best measuring dynamic speaker that exhibits SOTA cabinet design, then Magico is definitely on your short list.

The other thing about sealed vs ported is the drivers. Sealed drivers have to be built to a much higher tolerances and standards because they are subjected to much more stress. Can't get away with $20 drivers in a sealed box.
 
still-one said:
Mike
As an example I doubt there is any way one of the larger Magico speakers would ever sound optimal in MF's listening room. It is too small. With Wilson's he is able to adjust/direct the mid's and tweeter drivers towards his listening position to "help" offset the small room size.

I have no desire to debate the ported versus sealed enclosure issue. IMO it is all set-up and room dependent.
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That's true. I have seen his room and it's less than ideal. Angling the mid and tweet can allow a user to theoretically sit closer to the speaker. I would love to hear his system. I can't believe he doesn't have some real challenges.
 
Mike said:
Very room and setup dependent. I've found REAR ported designs can cause more problems than downward or front ported designs and I've had very little problems setting up sealed designs.


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Ported speakers excite the room differently , so a bit more care is necessary when setting them up , rear ports have advantages but are sensitive to distance from the rear wall , front ports are better for near field listening but have to be sized right in order to not color the sound , due to out of bandwidth enclosure noise.


when done and setup correctly they are pretty good IMO, when comparing to acoustic bass Instrument reproduction ..
 
Mike said:
I guess it depends on whether you look at speakers as a musical instrument or mechanical instrument. It comes down to the whole theory of introducing colorations into the music from ports and vibrating cabinets. Not saying one is right and one is wrong, as ultimately it's a preference. If you're the type of person who is seeking out the purest (as in least coloration), best measuring dynamic speaker that exhibits SOTA cabinet design, then Magico is definitely on your short list.

The other thing about sealed vs ported is the drivers. Sealed drivers have to be built to a much higher tolerances and standards because they are subjected to much more stress. Can't get away with $20 drivers in a sealed box.
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What are these additional stresses over vented woofers mike ?


Vented do have a 6db gain over sealed in the bass , so better on low watt stuff , not to mention what happens to MMS when a sealed cabinet hits resonance ...


Sealed will require more woofers to have the same db level in the bass , their advantages is a lower frequency roll off and no phase inversion at port resonance , port phase inversion is a red herring, as most if not all are not sensitive to it , what they are sensitive to is a poorly designed port with too much out off bandpass THD and noise due to too high a cutoff and poor port ratios , coloring and interfering with the midrange, rear porting eliminates most of the noise /coloration issues, Not to mention , the multiple different type of ported designs available when ( low pressure /high) designing...

Sealed speakers are pretty simple to get right , selecting the driver and desired cabinet Q make them pretty straight forward , 2 woofers are required to produce the same bass level per watt of a ( same size drivers ) vented design , the two woofer setup also lowers thd over one , but add complexities ...

I view sealed vs ported as different means to achieve desired design goals , their strenghts and weakeness's, more dependent on design goals and application...


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Ahhh , cant fully Subscribe to woofer non linearities at low frequency between the two unless you are exceeding woofer xmax , there are timing issue thou with excessive excursion vs not , hence why large woofers in large cabinets with small peak to peak is more desirable than small , eq , high xmax driven woofers ...

Imo, ymmv,
 
Kiwi,
Have you had a chance with a newer Magico (Q/S series) in your room? I think the quality of sealed bass will surprise you. I understand and have no intention to argue over ported design over sealed design - 6db more, better slam, etc, but IMO the quality of bass I get from properly made sealed design like S3's is several levels above the bass I used to get with ported designs, at least in my room. And at times, better quantity as well. My point is unless you try a properly designed sealed speaker in your room, there really isn't a way of knowing what sealed bass is all about.
 
Sealed vs ported compared to what ? live acoustic instruments or what one likes , if the latter, they are all winners ..

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Mike said:
Interesting read here: http://www.soundstageultra.com/inde...ernatives-rockport-magico-kharma-vivid-wilson
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"Overall, I like the speakers on your list and could see you liking them, too. Of course, you will have to listen to each to really know. It has been my experience that once you do that, one of the models will appeal to you more than the others and it will make the buying decision relatively easy. Window-shopping online rarely offers clarity on a purchase of this magnitude. Good luck with your decision and please do let me know how it works out."

At the end of the day (and the article), Jeff sums it up perfectly.
 
Gentlemen, would you please make a comparison between the new Magico М3 and the S5mkII?
Do you think the performance difference justifies the price? In what areas do you think M3 is vastly superb and is there anything (except the price) you think the S5mkII are better at?
What about the room? Do you think both models are suitable for the same size rooms, or one of them should perform better in smaller/larger one?
Please share your detailed opinion - i`m sure it would be interesting for many users here.

Thank you!
 
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