The Ultimate MAGICO Experience for Audioshark Members - Saturday August 27, 2016

PeterA said:
Sounds like a great event. Did the M3 have the new base? If so, did you hear them with and with out? And did Magico discuss details about these speaker bases and if they would offer them for other models?

How did the analog and digital compare? What cartridge were they using?
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In regard to the new mpod bases-I did specifically ask as the "improvement with bases was so monumental" if we would get to hear the difference for ourselves? Sadly they said too much setup time. If I had to guess monumental for people who listen every day to superior speakers in a perfectly designed and treated room then a victory is a .1 to .5% improvement IMHO. The theory and engineering of these new bases was impressive. But as Mike pointed out-if these are the most rigid speakers and cabinets-how much vibrational energy could come down to a traditional spike -hit floor and rebound to reenter speaker and disrupt sound wave accurate reproduction is probably not huge. Maybe on loose less rigid designed speakers effect might be far more noticeable. That being said, for almost 10 k for diehards ,maybe you get you that extra .1-.5% improvement. I would have love to blindly have heard them and judge how impactful the differences are. That being said, the floating floor, mpods, and M3 were outstanding in all aspects and even better when the 2 subs were turned on. The subs impact was huge and easy to appreciate.
Nick
 
The other thing I notice about the M3 is that standard configuration is with the spikes directly under the body of the speaker, like the original S5 for example. When the platform is added, the contact points with the floor are spread significantly further apart, creating what looks like a more stable base. In addition, it looks as if the whole speaker is raised up a bit as well. I can't help but wonder if these changes also affect the sound of M3, more so than simply swapping out the standard spikes for MPODs on a speaker like the S5 Mk2 or S7, which already have outriggers.

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At this level of system - a .1 to .5% improvement does cost a lot. People spend $10,000 on a single power cord or a 1 meter interconnect and probably don't get a .5% improvement. Its a sad fact in this hobby we love.



veindoc said:
In regard to the new mpod bases-I did specifically ask as the "improvement with bases was so monumental" if we would get to hear the difference for ourselves? Sadly they said too much setup time. If I had to guess monumental for people who listen every day to superior speakers in a perfectly designed and treated room then a victory is a .1 to .5% improvement IMHO. The theory and engineering of these new bases was impressive. But as Mike pointed out-if these are the most rigid speakers and cabinets-how much vibrational energy could come down to a traditional spike -hit floor and rebound to reenter speaker and disrupt sound wave accurate reproduction is probably not huge. Maybe on loose less rigid designed speakers effect might be far more noticeable. That being said, for almost 10 k for diehards ,maybe you get you that extra .1-.5% improvement. I would have love to blindly have heard them and judge how impactful the differences are. That being said, the floating floor, mpods, and M3 were outstanding in all aspects and even better when the 2 subs were turned on. The subs impact was huge and easy to appreciate.
Nick
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What lost in this MPOD discussion is the standard spikes that come with M3. I saw them on a shelf and they seem to be very well built, at least for the naked eyes, it's nothing like the spikes that came with my S3's.
 
kzhtoo said:
What lost in this MPOD discussion is the standard spikes that come with M3. I saw them on a shelf and they seem to be very well built, at least for the naked eyes, it's nothing like the spikes that came with my S3's.
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Agreed! I saw them too.
 
Tan said:
I better start saving then:-), most likely they dont come cheap.

Did Magico say anything regarding if it is possible to retro fitt the copper gasket/rings on M Pro?

How would you compare the M3 with its bigger M brother?

Best Tommy
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Hi Tommy,

They did not talk about retro-fitting the copper gasket rings on the MPro. I did, however, ask why the copper ring was only on the midrange driver and not the woofers of the M3 but for the life of me I can't remember the response (although I remember being satisfied with it). I asked because my recollection was that the S7 had copper rings for the woofers and also because I was wondering if simply raising the subject of copper rings would trigger any discussion of MPro retrofitting; obviously I was not very direct. :)

I expected the M3 to sound smaller than the MPro given the size difference in cabinets and drivers. I did not experience that; perhaps it was the difference in room - the speakers were 13 feet apart versus 8 feet for my MPros (in my home). Otherwise the sound seemed the same - clean & linear - as you would expect. It's hard to truly know without spending a lot more time with it, but my perception is that it's a smaller version in physical size, not quality.

I will say that it was pretty special to hear a great pair of speakers in a room such that they can be 13 feet apart. Great presentation. My wife came out of the room saying she had 'room envy'.
 
It would be interesting to hear a comparison of the M3's with and without the MPOD's. I understand that swapping them in and out would be a pain and we know our audio memory is short.

Magico must have put a great deal of thought into the design. Both Magico and Wilson have been adamant that Stillpoints are not the answer under their speakers so seeing Magico address the problem with a different design is intriguing.
 
madfloyd said:
Hi Tommy,

They did not talk about retro-fitting the copper gasket rings on the MPro. I did, however, ask why the copper ring was only on the midrange driver and not the woofers of the M3 but for the life of me I can't remember the response (although I remember being satisfied with it). I asked because my recollection was that the S7 had copper rings for the woofers and also because I was wondering if simply raising the subject of copper rings would trigger any discussion of MPro retrofitting; obviously I was not very direct. :)

I expected the M3 to sound smaller than the MPro given the size difference in cabinets and drivers. I did not experience that; perhaps it was the difference in room - the speakers were 13 feet apart versus 8 feet for my MPros (in my home). Otherwise the sound seemed the same - clean & linear - as you would expect. It's hard to truly know without spending a lot more time with it, but my perception is that it's a smaller version in physical size, not quality.

I will say that it was pretty special to hear a great pair of speakers in a room such that they can be 13 feet apart. Great presentation. My wife came out of the room saying she had 'room envy'.
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I find this quite remarkable. You, if anyone, would have the bragging rights owning the unobtainable M Pros. But nevertheless, you are stating you felt nothing was really missing with the M3s.

There's nothing more sincere than someone's praise, who does have the choice. Even though I find the M3s a tad on the dear side price-wise, maybe I need to give them a more careful consideration.

Maybe I'll come around with the footers then as well [emoji1].


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madfloyd said:
http://www.analogplanet.com/content...-francisco#comment-547640#mTIPXr5WcXOfxt0C.97
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Typical, not much love from Fremer to Magico, even when he can't come up with anything bad to say about the product, he mount a personal attack on Wolf :disbelief: You can tell when they are really trying when they say "I am not the only one who thought so" :weird:
Interesting, how the Stereophile crowd manage to stay impartial to what many will consider one of the best loudspeakers out there.
 
I love Fremer, but he is drawn to the Wilson sound which we all know is different from Magico. I would have liked to have heard the sound in that room to have more context on his comments.

I did think it was strange that Alon Wolf was in two places at once on that Saturday.
 
LVB said:
Typical, not much love from Fremer to Magico, even when he can't come up with anything bad to say about the product, he mount a personal attack on Wolf :disbelief: You can tell when they are really trying when they say "I am not the only one who thought so" :weird:
Interesting, how the Stereophile crowd manage to stay impartial to what many will consider one of the best loudspeakers out there.
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Personal attack on Wolf? That's not how I read it. He just didn't care for Wolf's demo music and volume. Honestly, when I last heard a Magico demo by Wolf, neither did I. It was all audiophile mumbo jumbo music.

Since when is a Stereophile reviewer supposed to be impartial? He prefers Wilson to Magico - while Valin is the opposite. Who cares?
 
KeithR said:
Personal attack on Wolf? That's not how I read it. He just didn't care for Wolf's demo music and volume. Honestly, when I last heard a Magico demo by Wolf, neither did I. It was all audiophile mumbo jumbo music.
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Well, In think he went further than that…


KeithR said:
Since when is a Stereophile reviewer supposed to be impartial? He prefers Wilson to Magico - while Valin is the opposite. Who cares?
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Haven't seen a Magico review in SP since 2010, I find it odd, that one of the only 2 largest, most relevant, publication in the US (maybe the world), ignore a well known US brand like Magico.


KeithR said:
Who cares?
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Why minimize someone else opinion? If YOU don’t care don't post.
 
So there is a conspiracy theory now? JA explained it fully and has said that Magico is actually under review.

99.9% of your posts are Magico related, so you don't need to tell me what or what not to post. Thank you.
 
KeithR said:
So there is a conspiracy theory now? JA explained it fully and has said that Magico is actually under review.

99.9% of your posts are Magico related, so you don't need to tell me what or what not to post. Thank you.
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Make it a 100%, and I have good manners as well, you should try that.
BTW, I am not suggesting any conspiracy theory, I was just wondering. Thank you.
 
I don't think he was attacking Wolf personally, rather questioning those speakers in "that" room. Whether he is biased against Magico it didn't come across that way in the article. Even for the most pro- Magico customer I think many would agree it is easier to tailor most of Wilson's larger speakers to less than perfect rooms due to all of the driver adjustments. That doesn't make Wilson a better speaker.

It's funny that when MF was playing his selections at one of Paragon's events last year, a few of us walked out due to his choice of music.
 
still-one said:
It's funny that when MF was playing his selections at one of Paragon's events last year, a few of us walked out due to his choice of music.
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I set through one of his demos as well, and measured on my phone over 100db SPL on some of his ripped cuts, so I wonder how much louder can a demo be, as he complained about the volume. My ears bled, and I too had walked out…
 
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