Not being "audiophile" is part of my new selection criteria. The project, if it comes to pass, should be a lot of fun.
Do you have yours up on stands?
The speaker fairy showed up today - JBL 4367 !!!
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Not being "audiophile" is part of my new selection criteria. The project, if it comes to pass, should be a lot of fun.
Do you have yours up on stands?
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I plan on raising mine up about 6 inches, right now I have them on Auralex pads that pro musicians use for subs and amps. They give me some isolation but the bass can feel a tiny bit too full at times. It's not bad as most of my listening is late at night and I feel that it kind of works in my favor.
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So I decided to snag some Cornwall IIs just to experiment with horns in the system and enjoy them immensely. I am contemplating modding them with new B+C drivers, x-over and some internal cabinet work. Should be a fun project.
Here is another speaker a friend heard that is apparently very good (and cheaper than those JBLs: https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2015...-unison-research-and-were-very-glad-she-does/
Here is another speaker a friend heard that is apparently very good (and cheaper than those JBLs: https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2015...-unison-research-and-were-very-glad-she-does/
They are a riot to listen to. I am engaged. They sound very good with good SS too. People misread them as bright, etc because the upstream electronics was often mediocre.
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Man, I remember Cornwall's.... used to sell them... amazing if you want to knock the walls down... holy crap were they LOUDDDDDD....
Yeah, I call them my Arkansas hillbilly speakers. You have not lived until you hear Leonard Skynyrd at 120 dB. They reproduce the explosiveness of drums better than any speaker I have previously owned.
We live in a midmod home and have a leaning towards furnishings from that era. I grew up with huge Wharfedale furniture speakers and seeing those big, beautiful cabinets brings up a lot of good memories....
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I can only image 
... my ears are bleeding just reading that post 
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... my ears are bleeding just reading that post ...I can only image
But they also play well at low volumes and do a good job recreating a soundstage at those levels. My wife is please how they look and that is half the battle!
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Absolutely, they are revealing but not bright or aggressive. I never found them offensive. A tremendous bang for the buck.
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Absolutely... very important point ...
...The following for Heritage Klipsch stuff is profound. I have rarely seen such diehard, dedicated fans who seem to own these things for ever. A rarity. I have been speaking with Bob Crites and plan on upgrading the X-overs and drivers to see what more I can squeeze out of them.
Joe, I'm going to listen to the M2's tomorrow in an impeccably conditioned recording studio. I, like you, though, might prefer the 4367 for the amp options it gives. I presently have a Master Sound 845 with Elrog tubes that I would like to keep using.
I'm going to listen to the JBL's because I have uncertain, mixed feelings about my Avantgarde Duo Grosso horn speakers.
Depending on the recording, they are out of this world fantastic....or harsh at times. And sometimes they are just a little
too aggressive. I've heard the JBL's are notably smooth and easy in the horn department, which makes me want to give them a try.
But, the difficulty is to know whether the harshness I sometimes hear is a room interaction or the speakers. I might have to demo the JBL's in the room to know.
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Excellent, please let me know how the demo goes. I'm very interested. I have not gone back to listening to my Strads since getting the 4367s almost 10 months ago. I promised myself I'd hook them back up in the next week or two and hear what I'm missing, if anything. The Strads are my first real speaker love, but the JBLs really satisfy me completely.
They are absolutely smooth and detailed, with balls and touch of sweetness. Zero aggression but with a right in front of you presentation that creates a wonderful sound stage with minimal room interaction. Easy setup and all day listening good with zero fatigue. I guess you could say that I really like them.
I was scared away away from the M2 because of the locked in nature of them and also because I could not find a decent dealer nearby that I felt comfortable with should I need tweaking or more intense setup. I still monitor the Lansing Heritage forum and see a lot of love for the M2 in basic Crown amp setup but my gut and some forum members tell me I might not be as happy with them.
The 4367 don't seem fussy and while the horn may not be as technically advanced, does a superb job at conveying the music and emotion that I love so much.
I've had some email discussions with guys who now own the 4367s and are so happy, they are selling off speakers costing 3X, or more, than the retail of the JBLs.
They are absolutely smooth and detailed, with balls and touch of sweetness. Zero aggression but with a right in front of you presentation that creates a wonderful sound stage with minimal room interaction. Easy setup and all day listening good with zero fatigue. I guess you could say that I really like them.
I was scared away away from the M2 because of the locked in nature of them and also because I could not find a decent dealer nearby that I felt comfortable with should I need tweaking or more intense setup. I still monitor the Lansing Heritage forum and see a lot of love for the M2 in basic Crown amp setup but my gut and some forum members tell me I might not be as happy with them.
The 4367 don't seem fussy and while the horn may not be as technically advanced, does a superb job at conveying the music and emotion that I love so much.
I've had some email discussions with guys who now own the 4367s and are so happy, they are selling off speakers costing 3X, or more, than the retail of the JBLs.
The demo of the M2's was interesting experience to say the least.
They were set up in a professional studio in near field position, so my ears were but 4 to 5 feet from the speakers. This is an immediate problem for me as I have never liked ultra near field listening. I brought in several tracks, some which are problematic on my Avantgarde Duo Grossos and some which sound superb on them. I wanted to determine if the hardness
I hear on some recordings was due to the AG's, my room, or simply the recordings.
The first track, from Miles Davis, Bitches Brew, is stunning on the AG's. The explosive dynamics of Mile's horn is really thrilling. It only took 5 seconds of listening to this cut to hear that the M2 and AG's are very different animals. The M2
didn't express the dynamics. It sounded as if the recording had been remastered to compress the dynamics. It just sounded loud and lacked the feeling of hearing the timbre of the real instruments. Every other cut was the same: missing were the dynamics, nuance and delicacy I hear in the AG's.
So, this could be partly due to other factors beside the speakers. The M2's are powered by Crown amps, and my AG's are powered by a Mastersound 845 with Elrog tubes. The Elrogs are known for their explosive dynamics. Perhaps, the JBL 4367 with my amp would sound different. Perhaps I prefer my more live room, with equal parts absorption and diffusion to the heavily deadened (every square inch covered in Auralex absorption) of the M2's studio environment.
In any case, I believe the ultimate lessen learned was, if I may mis-quote the Bill Clinton campaign, "It's the recording, stupid."
There are a lot of sub-par to just bad recordings out there and a revealing system is going to expose them. The studio designer, who has been in the business forever believes that great or even very good recordings, are more the exception than the rule.
They were set up in a professional studio in near field position, so my ears were but 4 to 5 feet from the speakers. This is an immediate problem for me as I have never liked ultra near field listening. I brought in several tracks, some which are problematic on my Avantgarde Duo Grossos and some which sound superb on them. I wanted to determine if the hardness
I hear on some recordings was due to the AG's, my room, or simply the recordings.
The first track, from Miles Davis, Bitches Brew, is stunning on the AG's. The explosive dynamics of Mile's horn is really thrilling. It only took 5 seconds of listening to this cut to hear that the M2 and AG's are very different animals. The M2
didn't express the dynamics. It sounded as if the recording had been remastered to compress the dynamics. It just sounded loud and lacked the feeling of hearing the timbre of the real instruments. Every other cut was the same: missing were the dynamics, nuance and delicacy I hear in the AG's.
So, this could be partly due to other factors beside the speakers. The M2's are powered by Crown amps, and my AG's are powered by a Mastersound 845 with Elrog tubes. The Elrogs are known for their explosive dynamics. Perhaps, the JBL 4367 with my amp would sound different. Perhaps I prefer my more live room, with equal parts absorption and diffusion to the heavily deadened (every square inch covered in Auralex absorption) of the M2's studio environment.
In any case, I believe the ultimate lessen learned was, if I may mis-quote the Bill Clinton campaign, "It's the recording, stupid."
There are a lot of sub-par to just bad recordings out there and a revealing system is going to expose them. The studio designer, who has been in the business forever believes that great or even very good recordings, are more the exception than the rule.
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Thank you very much for your thoughts. I have no doubt that part of what you are hearing is from the Crown amps. I also believe that the AG speakers are unequaled in their presentation of a live event with lightening fast response. The Mastersound amps you have must be wonderful in sweetening and providing air and bloom to the recording.
I have not heard AG speakers recently and would love to but I am afraid they would not be a good fit for my room. I am taking the 4367s for what they are at this point and not analyzing what I hear - I just enjoy the moment. I just recently switched to my Ayre MXR-20 monos and can not believe the level of improvement. I guess I get used to hearing a certain combo but now with the Ayre amps, I get powerful and tight bass, sweet vocals, more depth and width, just amazing.
I have not heard AG speakers recently and would love to but I am afraid they would not be a good fit for my room. I am taking the 4367s for what they are at this point and not analyzing what I hear - I just enjoy the moment. I just recently switched to my Ayre MXR-20 monos and can not believe the level of improvement. I guess I get used to hearing a certain combo but now with the Ayre amps, I get powerful and tight bass, sweet vocals, more depth and width, just amazing.
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Joe
Have you put the 4367's on any kind of stand or just on the floor?
Have you put the 4367's on any kind of stand or just on the floor?