The new JOB INTegrated Amp is coming !
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When I first saw that, it raised some questions in my head... but I don't know can that be a bad thing and why. (I listen music only from CDs/DVDs/Blu-rays and some wav computer files.) I expect that guys from GOLDMUND know what they are doing, so who am I to question them. Still, right now I'm closer to buying 225 than INT.
Page 4 is out! It gets seriousopcorn:
Latest instalment of the Job INTegrated review on 6moons:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/job3/4.html
Looking interesting, especially what he is not saying.
Perhaps Mate may wish to delay his decision on the 225?
nfnc, I'm here, and if anything gives me headache, this will be it. 
Like in some thriller, situation is ever-changing (well, at least in my head). I never actually reached a "decision", but now I only left two options. I gave up on 225, and it's either class A-B JOB INT or class D Gato Audio DIA-250. There is only one person on the planet who heard both amps. Srajan Ebaen. And he gave me his opinion today, although in a shortest possible way, and I don't intend bothering him any more.
The Gato sounds a lot warmer and thicker. I far prefer the INT - but that's my taste, with my speakers and my room.
Now, the funny thing is, try searching around the web for definition of warm and thick sound. You'll find many different opinions. So what exactly Mr. Srajan thinks when he says warmer and thicker? And would I feel the same while listening with MY ears to MY music coming from MY speakers in MY room? And for my music, is warmer and thicker amplifier better or worse option? Perhaps some of you would be willing to share your thoughts about this?
I'll write you what I listen to most of the time.
But first - the room is 19 square meters, speakers are Sonus faber Toy Towers. I listen only to CDs, I have 1000 discs with all types of music, mostly older music, not much modern production gets to my ears. I like my bass strong and well defined, but not overwhelming, not "spilling" everywhere; I like mids clear not muddy; most importantly, I can't stand screeching sound in high frequencies.
I listen:
Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Queen, Saxon, Rainbow, Nightwish, Therion, Motorhead, Grace Jones, Donna Summer, Giorgio Moroder, Boney M., ABBA, Kraftwerk, Yello, Blondie, Beastie Boys, KC & The Sunshine Band, Duran Duran, Prince, Johnny Cash, Simon & Garfunkel, Basil Poledouris, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Bob James - to name some of the more important artists I have in my collection.
Based on my tastes, can you conclude - is "a lot warmer and thicker" sound RIGHT or WRONG for me? What warmer and thicker sound means to you?
THANK YOU.
Like in some thriller, situation is ever-changing (well, at least in my head). I never actually reached a "decision", but now I only left two options. I gave up on 225, and it's either class A-B JOB INT or class D Gato Audio DIA-250. There is only one person on the planet who heard both amps. Srajan Ebaen. And he gave me his opinion today, although in a shortest possible way, and I don't intend bothering him any more.The Gato sounds a lot warmer and thicker. I far prefer the INT - but that's my taste, with my speakers and my room.
Now, the funny thing is, try searching around the web for definition of warm and thick sound. You'll find many different opinions. So what exactly Mr. Srajan thinks when he says warmer and thicker? And would I feel the same while listening with MY ears to MY music coming from MY speakers in MY room? And for my music, is warmer and thicker amplifier better or worse option? Perhaps some of you would be willing to share your thoughts about this?
I'll write you what I listen to most of the time.
But first - the room is 19 square meters, speakers are Sonus faber Toy Towers. I listen only to CDs, I have 1000 discs with all types of music, mostly older music, not much modern production gets to my ears. I like my bass strong and well defined, but not overwhelming, not "spilling" everywhere; I like mids clear not muddy; most importantly, I can't stand screeching sound in high frequencies.
I listen:
Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Queen, Saxon, Rainbow, Nightwish, Therion, Motorhead, Grace Jones, Donna Summer, Giorgio Moroder, Boney M., ABBA, Kraftwerk, Yello, Blondie, Beastie Boys, KC & The Sunshine Band, Duran Duran, Prince, Johnny Cash, Simon & Garfunkel, Basil Poledouris, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Bob James - to name some of the more important artists I have in my collection.
Based on my tastes, can you conclude - is "a lot warmer and thicker" sound RIGHT or WRONG for me? What warmer and thicker sound means to you?
THANK YOU.
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Auditioning a Aries Mini I heard a pair of Dynaudio Focus 400D speaker today. Sound is very clear and lean. My Penaudio Cenya's sound warmer and thicker by comparison (not bad). The first impression of the Dynaudio's is that you can hear all instruments so clearly. Bass was strong but cool. Imagine a clear winter day with ice all over. All sounds have a high and clear quality to them. It was nice to listen to for a bit but I prefer my Cenya's. Off course the different sound of the Dynaudio's made audioning the Aries Mini useless for me. I've to do the audioning at home some day. However the Cenya's could liven up with a brighter amp. So I keep following this threat a little longer.
Review finally out:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/job3/5.html
Blue Moon award.
Now, it would be interesting to compare the Job INTegrated with the Lumin M1 (which was reviewed with the Giya G1s).
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/job3/5.html
Blue Moon award.
Now, it would be interesting to compare the Job INTegrated with the Lumin M1 (which was reviewed with the Giya G1s).
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The dac of the Job INTegrated is said to be on par with the Metrum Hex dac. Very good!
This leaves me with two questions. Can the INTegrated handle 4 Ohm monitor speakers (Penaudio Cenya)? And secondly can I accept not being able to upgrade the dac with this amp?
Don't know about the Lumin M1. It doesn't have toslink, coax and analog inputs. Only USB and Ethernet input. So it even integrades a streamer. Can it be compared to a setup of Aries Mini and Job INTegrated?
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I've been comparing the Job INT with Goldmund HDA headphone amplifier and Telos 360 Mono block. All three of them use the same main board. The differences in the power section are clear:
Telos power stage has 4 mosfets in one row. It uses the right side only.
Goldmund HDA has 2x2 Mosfets in the power stage.
Job INT uses 2x4 mosfets. Hence I think the power increase compared to the headphone unit.
All three units come with a dac. Added on the top left of the main board. The dacs are different though.
The Job INT has a digital input board added to the below left. I would expect a similar input board on the HDA and Telos. But it's not.
HDA and Job INT seem to have different UI board (on top) too.
It's amazing how similar the three are. Makes you wonder about the differences.
:scholar:
Telos power stage has 4 mosfets in one row. It uses the right side only.
Goldmund HDA has 2x2 Mosfets in the power stage.
Job INT uses 2x4 mosfets. Hence I think the power increase compared to the headphone unit.
All three units come with a dac. Added on the top left of the main board. The dacs are different though.
The Job INT has a digital input board added to the below left. I would expect a similar input board on the HDA and Telos. But it's not.
HDA and Job INT seem to have different UI board (on top) too.
It's amazing how similar the three are. Makes you wonder about the differences.
:scholar:
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Thumbs up! Been doing the same thing myself and the more relevant comparison is to the Metis 7 which looks identical from what I can see. Down to the DAC daughterboard. The Metis 7/Job INT DAC looks identical and based on the PCM5102A.
The HDA uses a different DAC based on the PCM1798 going into N5532A's.
It's evident that the amps/active speakers are based on the same amp circuit/board now but just scaled up/down now.
IMHO, the most relevant comparison is between the Metis 7 and Job INT since there really doesn't look like there's anything that separates the 2 with the unknown being the code that runs things.
The HDA uses a different DAC based on the PCM1798 going into N5532A's.
It's evident that the amps/active speakers are based on the same amp circuit/board now but just scaled up/down now.
IMHO, the most relevant comparison is between the Metis 7 and Job INT since there really doesn't look like there's anything that separates the 2 with the unknown being the code that runs things.
I've been comparing the Job INT with Goldmund HDA headphone amplifier and Telos 360 Mono block. All three of them use the same main board. The differences in the power section are clear:
Telos power stage has 4 mosfets in one row. It uses the right side only.
Goldmund HDA has 2x2 Mosfets in the power stage.
Job INT uses 2x4 mosfets. Hence I think the power increase compared to the headphone unit.
All three units come with a dac. Added on the top left of the main board. The dacs are different though.
The Job INT has a digital input board added to the below left. I would expect a similar input board on the HDA and Telos. But it's not.
HDA and Job INT seem to have different UI board (on top) too.
It's amazing how similar the three are. Makes you wonder about the differences.
:scholar:
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My INT is very carefully handled by DHL at the moment :S.
"sleuthing"? Had to look it up :lol:.
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First observations:
Sound quality seems to be on par with Metrum Octave + Sonneteer Alabaster.
The sound is brighter. That's what I hoped for.
Coax connection (3m cable) has a dropout while playing a song about once in half an hour. Checking optical now.
Dimensions width 435mm, depth 305mm (excl. volume button and rear connections), hight 100mm (incl. feet).
Volume button is endless. 90 degrees rotation compares to 5 degrees rotation on the Alabaster. Turning off the Job INT resets the volume to zero. After turning it on you have wait a few seconds till the INT turns on. Than you have to turn the volume on. I would have liked it better if the default volume setting would be at a just audible level.
The disadvantage to the endless volume button is that there is no reference to the current volume setting. I used to have preferred volume positions for different situations and music styles (the Alabaster doen't have a remote). Also playing loud I don't have any idea how much grunt the INT has left. It has enough (like Rolls Royce :happy.
The INT has no 50Hz humm at all (the Alabaster does humm a bit as an accepted compromise in design). When no music is playing and listening with my ear at the woofer and tweeter I can hear a bit of white noise. Noise level does not change with the volume level. The noise drops below audible level at 20 cm distance. So this does not compromise listening (as the Alabaster humm did on occasion).
Muted there is no noise at all.
Does it get hot? Playing classical at highest listenable volume in my small room it does get quit hot at the bottom just below the opamps. The sites of the bottom only become warm. So it's very local. The top of the INT doesn't get more than luke warm.
Next Friday I'll do a A/B comparison.
Sound quality seems to be on par with Metrum Octave + Sonneteer Alabaster.
The sound is brighter. That's what I hoped for.
Coax connection (3m cable) has a dropout while playing a song about once in half an hour. Checking optical now.
Dimensions width 435mm, depth 305mm (excl. volume button and rear connections), hight 100mm (incl. feet).
Volume button is endless. 90 degrees rotation compares to 5 degrees rotation on the Alabaster. Turning off the Job INT resets the volume to zero. After turning it on you have wait a few seconds till the INT turns on. Than you have to turn the volume on. I would have liked it better if the default volume setting would be at a just audible level.
The disadvantage to the endless volume button is that there is no reference to the current volume setting. I used to have preferred volume positions for different situations and music styles (the Alabaster doen't have a remote). Also playing loud I don't have any idea how much grunt the INT has left. It has enough (like Rolls Royce :happy
.The INT has no 50Hz humm at all (the Alabaster does humm a bit as an accepted compromise in design). When no music is playing and listening with my ear at the woofer and tweeter I can hear a bit of white noise. Noise level does not change with the volume level. The noise drops below audible level at 20 cm distance. So this does not compromise listening (as the Alabaster humm did on occasion).
Muted there is no noise at all.
Does it get hot? Playing classical at highest listenable volume in my small room it does get quit hot at the bottom just below the opamps. The sites of the bottom only become warm. So it's very local. The top of the INT doesn't get more than luke warm.
Next Friday I'll do a A/B comparison.
