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Perhaps it's my imperfect English, but I see a difference between ideal and perfect.
Cheers,
Bernard
The ideal speaker?
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Perhaps it's my imperfect English, but I see a difference between ideal and perfect.
Cheers,
Bernard
Ideal or Perfect speakers - to me are the ones I can live with. When the day they cease to be, it's time to look for another ideal/perfection. For example, M6 is the ideal/perfect, now its no longer cause there's a new lady call M9.
AJ Soundfield
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Maybe with an "ideal" speaker, those type parameters are not fixed, but variable.
The shape, intensity, correlation and timing of polar responses, all adjustable, for both room and music type, taste.
Maybe not.
cheers,
AJ
steve59
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the solution is out there.
AJ Soundfield
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Yeah but Mike doesn't carry them any more
Ha! Nope, no more. Boulder and Gryphon now. Neither tries to sell direct to my customers!
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still-one
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Quads biggest limitation is their failure rate. When they work they do sound nice.
JoeESP9
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I have no such problem. However, I'm using Edge.
Kingrex
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I tried DSP one time DEQX Premate. Nope.
neodinardo
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Like Rodney Dangerfield always said, if you get a haircut it’s not supposed to look like you got a haircut. So now I got a new problem, I’m looking for a speaker that doesn’t sound like a speaker. Because the best speaker would sound like life!!
JoeESP9
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Sounding more like life was what attracted me to Magneplanars when I first heard and immediately bought a pair (MG-1) in 1976. That led me to ESL's. So, along the way I've tried various Maggies and ESL's. However, all the panels I could afford and/or fit into my room were/are defficient in the bass. That somewhat changed when I bought a pair of Acoustat Spectra 22's with the SPW-1 woofer. At last, halfway decent bass to go with that life like sound.
A couple of years after that I came across the PASS DIY site. He had designed a very simple TL subwoofer. His used a 15" driver which was a little larger than I could work with. I scaled his design down to 12" and built 2. Those two subs are still in daily use and complement my Maggie 1.7's. IMO I have lifelike sound with deep bass.
FWIW: IMO there are two approaches to making a speaker. There is the, they are here sound exemplified by Klipsch and JBL. And, there is the you are there sound exemplified by Magnepan and Martin Logan. As for a speaker disappearing, I've had guests stand right next to a panel and ask, "where is the sound coming from?".
A couple of years after that I came across the PASS DIY site. He had designed a very simple TL subwoofer. His used a 15" driver which was a little larger than I could work with. I scaled his design down to 12" and built 2. Those two subs are still in daily use and complement my Maggie 1.7's. IMO I have lifelike sound with deep bass.
FWIW: IMO there are two approaches to making a speaker. There is the, they are here sound exemplified by Klipsch and JBL. And, there is the you are there sound exemplified by Magnepan and Martin Logan. As for a speaker disappearing, I've had guests stand right next to a panel and ask, "where is the sound coming from?".
Kingrex
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I went Pure Audio Project Trio 10 voxativ and 15 horn. The open baffle is much different than any ported or sealed box. I like it. I appreciate my friends boxed speakers, but prefer mine.
Recently I have been poking around at Rythem and Charney. Both a single driver. No crossover. The Rythem has a built in sub to capture the low bass. I once took my amps and wired them direct to the voxativ driver. Bypassed the crossover. It is shocking how severly the crossover robs "music" from the driver. It was a violin in my room. Best I heard anywhere. Of course it had not chance of doing voices or piano. Not with a small single driver on a baffle. The science behind single driver horns is much more advanced with computer modeling. Gone are many of the humps and dips of the past.
If peopke tell you a rythem wont scale. What is any other boxed speaker. Its a teeeter and a 4 to 5 inch mid and a pair of woofers. A rythem is a 5 to 6 inch mid with wizzer and 2 x 7 inch down firing powered woofers.
My PAP tio 15 are hugh sounding. They are not perfect, but do what I like. I have 2 sets of amps now. I also have an electronic crossover. When I cobble together a few more parts I will try biamping.
Recently I have been poking around at Rythem and Charney. Both a single driver. No crossover. The Rythem has a built in sub to capture the low bass. I once took my amps and wired them direct to the voxativ driver. Bypassed the crossover. It is shocking how severly the crossover robs "music" from the driver. It was a violin in my room. Best I heard anywhere. Of course it had not chance of doing voices or piano. Not with a small single driver on a baffle. The science behind single driver horns is much more advanced with computer modeling. Gone are many of the humps and dips of the past.
If peopke tell you a rythem wont scale. What is any other boxed speaker. Its a teeeter and a 4 to 5 inch mid and a pair of woofers. A rythem is a 5 to 6 inch mid with wizzer and 2 x 7 inch down firing powered woofers.
My PAP tio 15 are hugh sounding. They are not perfect, but do what I like. I have 2 sets of amps now. I also have an electronic crossover. When I cobble together a few more parts I will try biamping.
JoeESP9
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I agree with HH. The closest I've ever heard to ideal was a pair of Sound Lab ESL's. Large and relatively expensive they have a single diaphragm that actually does 24Hz to beyond 20KHz.
Had I the space and funds, I'd be listening to a pair of Sound Lab Ultimate 745's.
Had I the space and funds, I'd be listening to a pair of Sound Lab Ultimate 745's.
My ideal speaker for my particular room would be ATC SCM40. I love what they do but in an ideal world I would want them to go lower in specs in relation to bass and to sound just as good in low volumes as they do in higher volumes. Being a sealed box speaker they have this instant presentation like the artist or band is in your room and will show how that musician played that solo....
But isn't that the main reason for NOT choosing a box speaker? Electrostatics and horns will normally offer a more lifelike sound than a box. If you love the ATC 40 but want more bass, how about the ATC 50? The latter is a reflex design and I used to own the active version for a short while in 2002. Frankly I didn't like it at all - I wanted to push it 20 ft further away from the listening position - it was too much "in yer face". OK in studios but not homes was my conclusion. I sold them and bought the far for likeable Avantgarde Unos. No need for external subs/ These I kept till last year, only to be changed for newer Duos. Peter
Kingrex
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Don't the atc have direct coupled amp to driver with internal power and electronic crossover
ATC offer Active and Passive versions of many of their speakers. I had Active 50s with built-in amps and XO - I think Lightfoot was probably describing the Passive 40s
steve59
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Ultima 2 tweeter maggie mids and meridian dsp bass.