The Cluelessness of Dave Gordon of ARC

Your soapbox response has nothing to do with what I posted
I'm sorry you missed the point. If you want to compare old posts, you might review yours and count the times that you demean people with whom you disagree. Its the internet and you can behave as you wish. I doubt that your political observations-or mine-are of much interest to many people on an audio forum. I think you have some interesting observations concerning audio matters. I just don't understand why its necessary to refer to people as nitwits or idiots or worse.
You’re double talking. My OP was in reference to El-Sayed and his idiotic commie principles which the brand ambassador of ARC chose to support who referred to regulated capitalism SO excuse me if you were referring to something different
I was referring to something different. Otherwise I would’ve mentioned the fellow from Michigan. Glad we cleared it up
 
You’re double talking. My OP was in reference to El-Sayed and his idiotic commie principles which the brand ambassador of ARC chose to support who referred to regulated capitalism SO excuse me if you were referring to something different

You have a habit of calling others "idiotic," and donning an air of intellectual superiority. Here's an AI analysis of the logical fallacies in your original post. There are many of them, though I'm sure AI got a few wrong. NB: these fallacies appear in many of your subsequent posts.

Ad Hominem (Attacking the person instead of the argument)

Quotes:

“has the hubris and lack of circumspection…”
“this ignoramus and ‘brand ambassador’…”
“I won't go into too much detail regarding my perspective of just how stupid his post is…”
“to use this imbecile as the voice of Medicare for all…”
“which Gordon OBVIOUSLY LACKS.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer repeatedly attacks Dave Gordon’s character and intelligence instead of engaging with the content of his political views or arguments. Calling him an “ignoramus,” “imbecile,” or declaring he “obviously lacks” rational thought is presented as a reason to reject what he says. That’s ad hominem: discrediting a person in order to dismiss their position, rather than attacking the position itself with reasons and evidence.

Guilt by Association

Quotes:

“supports some white-washed socialist/commie who has those who buy Gordon's products in his crosshairs.”
“support for a phony socialist, who campaigns with antisemites that have claimed America deserved 9/11, supporter of Hamas, etc.”
“He has a problem with the ‘oligarchs’ and their influence, but the biggest oligarchs with the biggest influence are those in DC, like EL-Sayed hopes to become…”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer tries to discredit Gordon by linking him to a politician (El-Sayed) and then to that politician’s alleged associates (“antisemites,” “supporter of Hamas”) without showing any direct endorsement of those extreme views by Gordon. The implication is: Gordon supports X; X is associated with Y (bad people); therefore Gordon and his views are bad. That’s guilt by association, not an argument about the actual content of Gordon’s position.

Straw Man

Quotes:

“So, Dave Gordon wants the government to be the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable and what should be ‘regulated’.”
“He supports government regulation to mitigate the excesses of capitalism; Dave Gordon represents the company that defines the excesses of capitalism.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer appears to exaggerate or distort Gordon’s presumed position. Wanting “Medicare for all” or “government regulation to mitigate the excesses of capitalism” is reform-oriented, but it is recast as if Gordon “wants the government to be the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable” in a sweeping, totalitarian sense. That’s a straw man: attacking a more extreme, simplified version of the views rather than the actual, more moderate policy position.

Tu Quoque (Appeal to Hypocrisy)

Quotes:

“when EL- Sayed's OWN MD WIFE doesn't take Medicaid or Medicare or any other insurance for that matter is hilarious.”
“He supports government regulation to mitigate the excesses of capitalism; Dave Gordon represents the company that defines the excesses of capitalism.”
“And where does Gordon post his inane post? On Facebook one of those so called evil oligarchal companies with too much influence.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer’s central move is: El-Sayed/Gordon advocate certain political-economic reforms, but their personal or professional situations are allegedly inconsistent with those ideals, so their positions are wrong. That’s tu quoque: pointing out real or perceived hypocrisy as if it refutes the advocated policy. Hypocrisy (if present) may speak to character but does not logically disprove the merits of “Medicare for all” or regulation of capitalism.

Slippery Slope

Quotes:

“So, Dave Gordon wants the government to be the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable and what should be ‘regulated’. Talk about slippery slopes. How about let's start with HIM and his company. I say Reference 330M monoblocks for all at 50 bucks.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer implies that any support for regulation or Medicare-for-all inevitably leads to extreme, absurd outcomes such as the government dictating luxury amplifier prices (“monoblocks for all at 50 bucks”). No intermediate reasoning is provided to show that one policy logically leads to the other; it’s a dramatized “if we allow this, we must allow that” chain. That’s a slippery slope argument without justification.

Hasty Generalization / Overgeneralization

Quotes:

“most socialists/commies would use [high-end audio] as THE ICON to illustrate the excesses of capitalism”
“I guess in today's polarized political world, one's political views just take precedence over all other rational thought, which Gordon OBVIOUSLY LACKS.”
Why this is fallacious:

The claim about “most socialists/commies” is a broad stereotype about an entire ideological group with no evidence offered.
The statement that in today’s world “one’s political views just take precedence over all other rational thought” generalizes from one example (Gordon) and a vague sense of polarization to a sweeping claim about people’s reasoning, again without support. Both are hasty generalizations: broad conclusions about groups drawn from inadequate evidence.

Appeal to Ridicule

Quotes:

“what may be one of the most absurd posts that any ‘brand ambassador’ can and has ever posted.”
“You literally can't make this up.”
“is hilarious.”
Why this is fallacious:
Rather than arguing against the substance of Gordon’s political stance, the writer portrays it as laughable or absurd to make it seem unworthy of serious consideration. Mockery and expressions of incredulity are used as substitutes for argument, inviting the reader to dismiss the position because it is “hilarious” or “absurd,” which is an appeal to ridicule.

Appeal to Popularity / Bandwagon (mild form)

Quotes:

“Based on prior posts, I am sure many of you will agree with Dave and his support for a phony socialist…”
“Look, I am sure much of my perspective is not shared by at least 50% of you…”
Why this is fallacious:
While more implicit, the writer leans on what they expect the audience already believes (“many of you will agree…”; “50% of you”) as part of the rhetorical support. Suggesting that a view is right or safe because “many of you will agree” is an appeal to popularity: using presumed majority opinion as a substitute for argument.

Appeal to Emotion (especially Fear and Indignation)

Quotes:

“who has those who buy Gordon's products in his crosshairs.”
“campaigns with antisemites that have claimed America deserved 9/11, supporter of Hamas, etc.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer ties Gordon’s stance to terrorism, antisemitism, and the idea that buyers are in someone’s “crosshairs,” which are emotionally loaded images likely to provoke fear and anger. These associations are presented in a way that encourages the reader to reject Gordon’s views because of emotional reaction rather than because of a reasoned refutation of his policy positions.
 
You have a habit of calling others "idiotic," and donning an air of intellectual superiority. Here's an AI analysis of the logical fallacies in your original post. There are many of them, though I'm sure AI got a few wrong. NB: these fallacies appear in many of your subsequent posts.

Ad Hominem (Attacking the person instead of the argument)

Quotes:

“has the hubris and lack of circumspection…”
“this ignoramus and ‘brand ambassador’…”
“I won't go into too much detail regarding my perspective of just how stupid his post is…”
“to use this imbecile as the voice of Medicare for all…”
“which Gordon OBVIOUSLY LACKS.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer repeatedly attacks Dave Gordon’s character and intelligence instead of engaging with the content of his political views or arguments. Calling him an “ignoramus,” “imbecile,” or declaring he “obviously lacks” rational thought is presented as a reason to reject what he says. That’s ad hominem: discrediting a person in order to dismiss their position, rather than attacking the position itself with reasons and evidence.

Guilt by Association

Quotes:

“supports some white-washed socialist/commie who has those who buy Gordon's products in his crosshairs.”
“support for a phony socialist, who campaigns with antisemites that have claimed America deserved 9/11, supporter of Hamas, etc.”
“He has a problem with the ‘oligarchs’ and their influence, but the biggest oligarchs with the biggest influence are those in DC, like EL-Sayed hopes to become…”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer tries to discredit Gordon by linking him to a politician (El-Sayed) and then to that politician’s alleged associates (“antisemites,” “supporter of Hamas”) without showing any direct endorsement of those extreme views by Gordon. The implication is: Gordon supports X; X is associated with Y (bad people); therefore Gordon and his views are bad. That’s guilt by association, not an argument about the actual content of Gordon’s position.

Straw Man

Quotes:

“So, Dave Gordon wants the government to be the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable and what should be ‘regulated’.”
“He supports government regulation to mitigate the excesses of capitalism; Dave Gordon represents the company that defines the excesses of capitalism.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer appears to exaggerate or distort Gordon’s presumed position. Wanting “Medicare for all” or “government regulation to mitigate the excesses of capitalism” is reform-oriented, but it is recast as if Gordon “wants the government to be the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable” in a sweeping, totalitarian sense. That’s a straw man: attacking a more extreme, simplified version of the views rather than the actual, more moderate policy position.

Tu Quoque (Appeal to Hypocrisy)

Quotes:

“when EL- Sayed's OWN MD WIFE doesn't take Medicaid or Medicare or any other insurance for that matter is hilarious.”
“He supports government regulation to mitigate the excesses of capitalism; Dave Gordon represents the company that defines the excesses of capitalism.”
“And where does Gordon post his inane post? On Facebook one of those so called evil oligarchal companies with too much influence.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer’s central move is: El-Sayed/Gordon advocate certain political-economic reforms, but their personal or professional situations are allegedly inconsistent with those ideals, so their positions are wrong. That’s tu quoque: pointing out real or perceived hypocrisy as if it refutes the advocated policy. Hypocrisy (if present) may speak to character but does not logically disprove the merits of “Medicare for all” or regulation of capitalism.

Slippery Slope

Quotes:

“So, Dave Gordon wants the government to be the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable and what should be ‘regulated’. Talk about slippery slopes. How about let's start with HIM and his company. I say Reference 330M monoblocks for all at 50 bucks.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer implies that any support for regulation or Medicare-for-all inevitably leads to extreme, absurd outcomes such as the government dictating luxury amplifier prices (“monoblocks for all at 50 bucks”). No intermediate reasoning is provided to show that one policy logically leads to the other; it’s a dramatized “if we allow this, we must allow that” chain. That’s a slippery slope argument without justification.

Hasty Generalization / Overgeneralization

Quotes:

“most socialists/commies would use [high-end audio] as THE ICON to illustrate the excesses of capitalism”
“I guess in today's polarized political world, one's political views just take precedence over all other rational thought, which Gordon OBVIOUSLY LACKS.”
Why this is fallacious:

The claim about “most socialists/commies” is a broad stereotype about an entire ideological group with no evidence offered.
The statement that in today’s world “one’s political views just take precedence over all other rational thought” generalizes from one example (Gordon) and a vague sense of polarization to a sweeping claim about people’s reasoning, again without support. Both are hasty generalizations: broad conclusions about groups drawn from inadequate evidence.

Appeal to Ridicule

Quotes:

“what may be one of the most absurd posts that any ‘brand ambassador’ can and has ever posted.”
“You literally can't make this up.”
“is hilarious.”
Why this is fallacious:
Rather than arguing against the substance of Gordon’s political stance, the writer portrays it as laughable or absurd to make it seem unworthy of serious consideration. Mockery and expressions of incredulity are used as substitutes for argument, inviting the reader to dismiss the position because it is “hilarious” or “absurd,” which is an appeal to ridicule.

Appeal to Popularity / Bandwagon (mild form)

Quotes:

“Based on prior posts, I am sure many of you will agree with Dave and his support for a phony socialist…”
“Look, I am sure much of my perspective is not shared by at least 50% of you…”
Why this is fallacious:
While more implicit, the writer leans on what they expect the audience already believes (“many of you will agree…”; “50% of you”) as part of the rhetorical support. Suggesting that a view is right or safe because “many of you will agree” is an appeal to popularity: using presumed majority opinion as a substitute for argument.

Appeal to Emotion (especially Fear and Indignation)

Quotes:

“who has those who buy Gordon's products in his crosshairs.”
“campaigns with antisemites that have claimed America deserved 9/11, supporter of Hamas, etc.”
Why this is fallacious:
The writer ties Gordon’s stance to terrorism, antisemitism, and the idea that buyers are in someone’s “crosshairs,” which are emotionally loaded images likely to provoke fear and anger. These associations are presented in a way that encourages the reader to reject Gordon’s views because of emotional reaction rather than because of a reasoned refutation of his policy positions.
Thanks for proving what is wrong with this world when those who lack brains or ability depend on programmed AI for their info. When you want to debate your pathetic and wrongful claims, NOT FACTS, let me know. EVEN AI would prove how you are clueless to what you state.

So who are the monopolies in healthcare? So show me the jails run by private companies that are worse than those run by the government? Or refute the greatest mobility America has ever seen between the lowest quartile and the highest quartile of wealth ever and for sure anywhere on earth? You can’t because you’re a brainwashed sloganeer
 
Not shit talking

Maybe some are

This thread was started by me, who is amazed at the utter stupidity of the “brand ambassador” of Audio Research, who endorses and supports a person, who Jews like myself find appalling, who supports a person whose economic principles would all but guarantee the demise of an industry he supposedly represents in destroying the wealth of those he supposedly desires to sell his products to.

Shit talking, I think not.
Not just Jews. Christians like myself who understand that Israel is our best ally in the Middle East, and arguably the entire world, also find bigots like El-Sayeed appalling. Either his antisemitism or the sheer lunacy of his policy positions would keep me from voting for him. That the package deal gets any support whatsoever is truly terrifying.
 
Not just Jews. Christians like myself who understand that Israel is our best ally in the Middle East, and arguably the entire world, also find bigots like El-Sayeed appalling. Either his antisemitism or the sheer lunacy of his policy positions would keep me from voting for him. That the package deal gets any support whatsoever is truly terrifying.
I couldn't agree more and thanks for you post

Christians who call Israel home, has doubled over the last year and half and the frequency is increasing. Why I don't care, calling those who endorse or quote El-Sayed a nitwit or a moron, no matter how people want to take it.

My most vicious condemnation are those Jews, who condone and support those like El-Sayed and Mandani. Maybe those should take a history lesson about Jewish Max Naumann and his Association of German National Jews OR the Jews who supported Mussolini and the result of Italy's racial laws of 1938. LMAO. "BUT I'M WITH YOU" until IT hits the fan and guess what, trying to be one of them just gets you to the front of the line to the gas chambers.

But back to the purpose of this post. If this moron Gordon "brand ambassador" wants to give an antisemite legitimacy and support "socialist/commie" principles while he tries to sell 100K dual mono amps to those who would be victimized by an El-Sayed, whether that be based on religious or economic principles, I will call it out for what it is. AND let's not forget, he campaigned with Hassan Piker, who has stated openly in addition to his hate for America, Israel and Jews, we will import immigrants to f--k white women until the white race is destroyed. This is the bed Mr. Gordon is choosing to sleep in on his FB account. Incidentally, there are others in this industry, who side with those politically who have their customers in their crosshairs.

While this is NOT about audio per se, it is about those who sell the gear and why I thank Mike of Suncoast, a real standup guy, for allowing it.
 
Some people don't like it when you correct their mistakes. The dudedoesn'tabide put me on ignore because he called out the wrong bridge in his post on another thread after I corrected him.
That is a pretty serious offense mep. :)
 
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Thanks for proving what is wrong with this world when those who lack brains or ability depend on programmed AI for their info. When you want to debate your pathetic and wrongful claims, NOT FACTS, let me know. EVEN AI would prove how you are clueless to what you state.

So who are the monopolies in healthcare? So show me the jails run by private companies that are worse than those run by the government? Or refute the greatest mobility America has ever seen between the lowest quartile and the highest quartile of wealth ever and for sure anywhere on earth? You can’t because you’re a brainwashed sloganeer

I don't rely on AI. I could've given you the same analysis on my own, but it would've taken me longer. It's clear that you don't even know what a logical fallacy is, because you making the same ones over and over.
 
I don't rely on AI. I could've given you the same analysis on my own, but it would've taken me longer. It's clear that you don't even know what a logical fallacy is, because you making the same ones over and over.
So, you can't even defend you phony brainwashed sloganeering of medical monopolies, the idiocy of the privatizing jail comment or of course the wealth disparity. When I see those like yourself, regurgitating these phony leftist talking points, it is all I need to know about the person spewing it. No wonder you need to do the AI thing.
 
So, you can't even defend you phony brainwashed sloganeering of medical monopolies, the idiocy of the privatizing jail comment or of course the wealth disparity. When I see those like yourself, regurgitating these phony leftist talking points, it is all I need to know about the person spewing it. No wonder you need to do the AI thing.

Can you please cite an example of my "brainwashed sloganeering of medical monopolies."
 
Can you please cite an example of my "brainwashed sloganeering of medical monopolies."
When I am wrong, I am big enough to admit it. I have been ragging on YOU for someone Mr. Peabody has stated all this time.

I apologize.

My bad.

Sometimes being hasty leads to the wrong conclusions which I take all blame for and issue a big apology.
 
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