Tannoy and Shindo - A Match Made In Heaven?

arthurs said:
Amen Jerome....:congrats:
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Thanks !
I will add that the official dealers / importers complain about grey market.
The truth is painful for them. Their infantile policy created the grey market. They will maybe realize it one day. But they seem too narrow minded to see the light.
I bought McIntosh, ARC, Wilson, A23, Nagra, AMR, Rega, from official dealers.
I chose the grey market for Shindo ( not so grey actually because I bought from an official Shindo importer ) because I had no other choice.
Moreover when I ordered the CCQs, the importer had to hide to Shindo the fact that they were for me. Shindo was not willing to sell them to be used with Wilson speakers and they knew I had Wilsons at that time.
There will always be a way to escape the established rules when these rules are a freedom denial.
 
This is what I meant. Why do we even need to talk about this ? We are customer and we suppose to buy what we want. Why do we have to worry about all these ? Why ? Hide from Shindo to get you the CCQ ? thats insane.
 
Mike said:
I'm a little biased, but another speaker to consider in that price range is the Living Voice OBX-RW. Very tube friendly. I will have a pair on demo soon if you want to come hear them.

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Yessss, very nice!
 
Cucumber_jones said:
Sorry but that pricing is wrong. Devore have many suitable models that are priced lower than the O'96's. Auditorium also have speakers that are WAY lower then 35k.
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Sorry Chris. I forgot about the the A23 Homage 755, which was $20K or so (right)? However, I believe that the Hommage a Ken is at least $35k and they go up from there.

It's true that several 8 ohm Devore models are cheaper than the O/96, and even though they have lower efficiencies, I understand that they sound great with Shindo. My first exposure to Shindo was Monbrison/Cortese with 91db/8ohm Devore Silverbacks and I got hooked!

However, and I don't think that I'm overstating this, the distributor told me and wrote on forums that even 8 ohm speakers aren't the best match for most Shindo amps, which are apparently designed for 16 ohm loads. The Petite Latours that I auditioned with my amps in Februrary, sounded pretty sweet. In line with that recommendation, I'd prefer to find higher impedance speakers, or at least high efficiency (>96db) 8 ohm ones.

I previously excluded the Westminster SE's for use with Shindo amps because of their 50 watt minimum amp recommendation. However, after hearing of the positive experiences of Paul and arthurs, I wanted see if used Westies could expand the scope of my speaker choices, $20k and below.
 
Bongo said:
Sorry Chris. I forgot about the the A23 Homage 755, which was $20K or so (right)? However, I believe that the Hommage a Ken is at least $35k and they go up from there.

It's true that several 8 ohm Devore models are cheaper than the O/96, and even though they have lower efficiencies, I understand that they sound great with Shindo. My first exposure to Shindo was Monbrison/Cortese with 91db/8ohm Devore Silverbacks and I got hooked!

However, and I don't think that I'm overstating this, the distributor told me and wrote on forums that even 8 ohm speakers aren't the best match for most Shindo amps, which are apparently designed for 16 ohm loads. The Petite Latours that I auditioned with my amps in Februrary, sounded pretty sweet. In line with that recommendation, I'd prefer to find higher impedance speakers, or at least high efficiency (>96db) 8 ohm ones.

I previously excluded the Westminster SE's for use with Shindo amps because of their 50 watt minimum amp recommendation. However, after hearing of the positive experiences of Paul and arthurs, I wanted see if used Westies could expand the scope of my speaker choices, $20k and below.
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Due to the nasty tone and direction of this thread I will be limiting my already limited time here.

My time has been limited due to spending family time. On the audio front I have so much satisfaction from the shindo/a23 system I have build with recommendations from JH and the dealers I don't need to spend as much time researching.

I will say though that the 755a A23 Hommage are closer to 12k. They are not 16 ohm and were very strongly recommended to my by JH and various dealers. They are almost broken in now and they are stunning.


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Guess I'm late to the party but I really don't understand the logic in selling equipment that gives you a great reward just because the dealer/dist does not agree with your choice of speakers. That Shindo gear could possibly last for many, many years without any trouble. If you do not like the way they treat you then don't give them your business. I love listening to music and quality sound. Sometimes I think we as "Audiophiles" are an odd bunch. This is just my opinion so please don't take it too seriously. Just keep the music playing.
 
Katoomer said:
Guess I'm late to the party but I really don't understand the logic in selling equipment that gives you a great reward just because the dealer/dist does not agree with your choice of speakers. That Shindo gear could possibly last for many, many years without any trouble. If you do not like the way they treat you then don't give them your business. I love listening to music and quality sound. Sometimes I think we as "Audiophiles" are an odd bunch. This is just my opinion so please don't take it too seriously. Just keep the music playing.
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I agree fully.
 
To be fair, while the whole "Shindo Nazi" thing is funny, it doesn't reflect my experience. I'm not saying that JH is always warm and fuzzy. I might expect admonishment from him if I used a speaker that was poorly matched to my amps - that has happened. But I've already had an amp die when using those speakers, and I'm totally confident that he and my dealer would service my amps because they already have!

People have to build systems over time, and often speakers are the last piece to add. My dealer at Arizona HiFi is very realistic and helpful about working with what I've got or within my budget.
 
I am very grateful to JH and Matt for popularizing Shindo in the US.
Without them, I would not be in heaven each time that I turn on my system.
 
Shindo is more of a turn-key solution. Not sure why folks don't understand this. Has anyone actually talked to Matt Rotunda? He is one of the better guys in audio- and quite experienced (he worked at Sound by Singer and Innovative Audio in NYC for years). To say the Shindo dealer network is a bunch of hacks or "Nazis" is just wrong.

The other thing is Shindo isn't discounted. This is why several people on this forum aren't going to be rushing out to buy it. Its a different kind of sales process and more system oriented- which is perfect for some, not so for gearheads or people who like to mix and match.
 
Bongo said:
To be fair, while the whole "Shindo Nazi" thing is funny, it doesn't reflect my experience. I'm not saying that JH is always warm and fuzzy. I might expect admonishment from him if I used a speaker that was poorly matched to my amps - that has happened. But I've already had an amp die when using those speakers, and I'm totally confident that he and my dealer would service my amps because they already have!
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I've said this story before, but he recommended only the Shindo monos for my 101db, 6 ohm Zu Definitions. I bought the HB through Matt who still thought it would be fine- and indeed it was a mis-match in my largish room at the time. I think the amps work best higher than 8 ohms- and the 16 ohm secondary winding on the HB in particular.
 
KeithR said:
I've said this story before, but he recommended only the Shindo monos for my 101db, 6 ohm Zu Definitions. I bought the HB through Matt who still thought it would be fine- and indeed it was a mis-match in my largish room at the time. I think the amps work best higher than 8 ohms- and the 16 ohm secondary winding on the HB in particular.
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That's helpful to know Keith. I had 6 ohm Regas R5s that the HB couldn't wrangle.

I suspect that our fellow members with Westies have great performance overall, but I would bet that the frequencies where impedance dips to 5 ohms on the Westminster SE would result in a sub-optimal performance for my HB. Paul's and aurthers' GR versions are rated for 20 watts minimum versus 50 watts for the SE version - I imagine the GR mates better with amps like mine. However, I can't evaluate used SE Westies easily or at all with my amps. For my HB at least, perhaps the Westminster isn't quite a match made in heaven!

I really appreciate the chance to have these conversations with everyone here!
 
My CCQs drive the REGA RS10's just perfectly. They are much more difficult to drive than the R5's.
Of course the CCQs are much more powerful than the HB.
 
Just throwing this one out there... I purchased a pair of used CC80's from an authorized dealer and they did NOT work well with my Tannoy DMT 15 IIs. This dealer thought they would work. My Tannoys are very efficient around 98 db 8 ohm nominal with an impedance dip around 5 ohms in the bass. I should have gone with the consensus that you need large SS amps to control my Tannoys (ala a Bryston 4B SST - which I'm still using) but I really wanted to try the Shindos :) .

Anyhow, if you scour the forums re: speakers to use w/ Shindo JH does not recommend Devore either... I know Paul was happy with his Tannoy / Shindo combo but I'm guessing that his particular Tannoys were a better match. I'm going to stick with Tone Imports recommendation to use high impedance, high efficiency speakers with low mass drivers- no rubber surrounds etc. if I decide to try a Shindo amp again....
 
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