Talk me out of a devialet 200....

She sure is purty !!! but not just a pretty face.
The "pretty box" of the Devialet is an integral part of the design.
They say that the 200 and the 250 use identical components internally. It is the casework that is different. The 200 case being very much cheaper.
The extra power that the 250 can deliver is due to the case. Apparently the 200 is near it's thermal limit but not so the 250. This allows the 250 to be configured/mapped for more power.

Dual mono 200's give the D400, but dual mono 250's are the D800 which actually don't deliver 800w into 6ohm but closer to 650w.

It seems to me that if the 200 is near it's thermal limit, stacking units with the stock feet is a bad idea, natural convection needs more space.

Thermal mapping the 200's case and applying a natural convection heat sink to the hot spot(the class A amp?) might improve performance.

PS- with 2,127 members, on Audioshark, let's get jax's PMC Fact 8s 59 more votes.
 
It seems to me that if the 200 is near it's thermal limit, stacking units with the stock feet is a bad idea, natural convection needs more space.

Thermal mapping the 200's case and applying a natural convection heat sink to the hot spot(the class A amp?) might improve performance.

A long press on button 4 on the remote gives you access to the info "pages" which are displayed on the "porthole" atop the unit. On about page 12 is the info about the internal temperatures of the A amp, the D amp and the power supply. Many D owners love to regularly monitor those temperatures.

Contrary to what you might expect, stacked dual mono owners report that there is only a slight variation in temperature between the units. And also little variation between stacked and side by side.
But all D's can get hot - like into the 60+ degrees centigrade range which is bloody hot.
Devialet say that this is situation normal when the amp is working hard.
In the low 40's is to be expected under less severe conditions.

Applying an external heatsink would help to lower the temperature but the maximum power output is governed by the firmware and the 200 will only ever deliver that 200w into 6ohms unless Devialet, in a future firmware update, allow for more power.
 

All I reported was the demo I had at THE Show in Newport a year ago. Perhaps the speakers were too tough a load, who knows. Every single person I know who heard those two rooms agreed. That said, I'd love to audition the unit- but I'm analog now so makes no sense. I would buy the new Dart integrated before the D Premier anyways.

I disagree with Jeff on many things, but actually find him one of the best reads online as he doesn't pull punches. We even agree on Ayre and Magico. I have a feeling he will go back to his Ayre amps and think they are better than the Devialet. I told him that on another forum when I chastised this "blog post" which basically only talked about amazing bass.
 
All I reported was the demo I had at THE Show in Newport a year ago. Perhaps the speakers were too tough a load, who knows. Every single person I know who heard those two rooms agreed. That said, I'd love to audition the unit- but I'm analog now so makes no sense. I would buy the new Dart integrated before the D Premier anyways.

I disagree with Jeff on many things, but actually find him one of the best reads online as he doesn't pull punches. We even agree on Ayre and Magico. I have a feeling he will go back to his Ayre amps and think they are better than the Devialet. I told him that on another forum when I chastised this "blog post" which basically only talked about amazing bass.


The D Premier has been replaced by the 250

Jeff was talking about more than the bass when he responded to a reader's letter about integrated amplifiers:

"Whichever Devialet you buy, assuming you have enough power to drive your speakers, you'll be at the end of the upgrade merry-go-round. In my opinion, there is nowhere to go after Devialet, even if you spend multiples of its price. Good luck with your purchase and your system. . . . Jeff Fritz"
http://www.soundstageultra.com/index.php/letters-menu/512-which-devialet
 
The Devialet to me does NOT sound musical (older and current models) and I don't understand the appeal. Â It sounds powerful and detailed no doubt - but lacks a musical soul entirely. Just cold and dry with a formidable marketing campaign....
 
The Devialet to me does NOT sound musical (older and current models) and I don't understand the appeal. Â It sounds powerful and detailed no doubt - but lacks a musical soul entirely. Just cold and dry with a formidable marketing campaign....

Sounds like most of the amps from Europe to me! With the exception of my Hegel of course and Vitus. LOL. (Flame suit on).


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The Devialet to me does NOT sound musical (older and current models) and I don't understand the appeal. Â It sounds powerful and detailed no doubt - but lacks a musical soul entirely. Just cold and dry with a formidable marketing campaign....

"You'd nearly expect the Devialet to have a sterile or cool side but you'd be wrong. That's perhaps one of the uncanny things about its sonic presentation in that you get gobs of resolution like looking through crystal clear water, without the cold. When the instrument or voice calls for warmth, there it is in all its glory. I'm really talking about rich timbral character which often comes at the expense of resolution in other systems. Not so with the Devialet. It truly marries the best of both these qualities, resolution and tone, so you can listen in or lay back and simply enjoy the music."- Michael Lavorgna

Devialet 120 | AudioStream
 
Mike lurks around here...maybe he will chime in.

I didn't find the Devialet to be sterile.


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You know what I find to be really sterile? Gauze bandages. Oh yeah and surgical instruments, they're super sterile.
 
I bought my D170 without even seeing it in the flesh or having heard any D product. They had just been released and the first batch bound for Australia was purchased at a good exchange rate, meanwhile the Aussie dollar was plummeting and the next batch would have to incur a significant price rise. so I bought one purely on the strength of a fascination with what D were doing and the rave reviews from all corners of the globe for the D-Premiere.

When I first plugged it in and settled down to some listening I was struck with horror. "OMG What have I done !!! This is terrible."
Not sure if the D requires some good running in, or if my ears needed some re-calibration (probably a bit of both) but it took several hours of listening for my first "WOW" moment.
13 months later you will need to prise it out of my cold dead hands.
 
Hi all, long time visitor, hope to be of help and contribute to this wonderful site. So, being my first "helpful" post, here goes

Let's see:
- it's small. How can it be a true audiophile product for something that small.

- Too pretty. Where are the handles, heat sinks with the sharp edges that cut you when you move them? No audiophile can truly be worthy of the title until he/she has scars on the forearms.

- Too easy to use. To be a true audiophile product, it should require you to place the unit on a platform made of unobtanium, with a power cord bigger than your wrist. And when the power cord is connected, it must lift the amp up because the power cord has to be very rigid. No exceptions.

- It's an integrated unit for pete's sake! How could it possibly be a serious world class unit? Don't you know that separates are the ONLY way to audio ecstasy?

- It doesn't produce enough heat to keep your room warm in the winter.

And finally, perhaps the most damning of all....

It's too cheap!!!

And just in case I am misunderstood, I was just joking...

Haven't heard it in my own systems, but too many credible people have said great things about Devialet for it to be a coincidence.

All the best,
Adrian Low
 
Hi all, long time visitor, hope to be of help and contribute to this wonderful site. So, being my first "helpful" post, here goes

Let's see:
- it's small. How can it be a true audiophile product for something that small.

- Too pretty. Where are the handles, heat sinks with the sharp edges that cut you when you move them? No audiophile can truly be worthy of the title until he/she has scars on the forearms.

- Too easy to use. To be a true audiophile product, it should require you to place the unit on a platform made of unobtanium, with a power cord bigger than your wrist. And when the power cord is connected, it must lift the amp up because the power cord has to be very rigid. No exceptions.

- It's an integrated unit for pete's sake! How could it possibly be a serious world class unit? Don't you know that separates are the ONLY way to audio ecstasy?

- It doesn't produce enough heat to keep your room warm in the winter.

And finally, perhaps the most damning of all....

It's too cheap!!!

And just in case I am misunderstood, I was just joking...

Haven't heard it in my own systems, but too many credible people have said great things about Devialet for it to be a coincidence.

All the best,
Adrian Low

Spot on, Adrian,
Even worse, this "lifestyle product" (kiss of death) digitalises all analogue signals entering and then DAC's them on the way out.
 
Spot on, Adrian,
Even worse, this "lifestyle product" (kiss of death) digitalises all analogue signals entering and then DAC's them on the way out.

Hi Garata

We should start a new thread on all the reasons we should hate Devialet. haha. Tongue in cheek of course.

Adrian Low
 
Hi Garata

We should start a new thread on all the reasons we should hate Devialet. haha. Tongue in cheek of course.

Adrian Low

If we were to approach this from the viewpoint of the deeply entrenched backwards looking audiophile orthodoxy we would find much to deride, ridicule and condemn.
Fer heaven's sake, there's bloody Class D amps in there !!!
 
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