StillPoint Ultra 5's

sharkmouth said:
Paul, the top plate on the SS's should be at least half a turn loose, the rest is your preference. Me, I just use them to get even pressure on all 4 under the component The use under amps in my guess is that they dissipate vibration that could be caused by sound or mechanical as in transformer etc., either way, they work.
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Thanks Kev. I went bed 3 am in the morning and as soon as I woke up start to listen to music again.

I have to warn every body who hasn't try the still points. If you not willing to spend $$$ Please don't even try these stuff.

highEndguy said:
This is the way to go ;
Speakers
Amps
Power conditioner
Sources

Prepare your self, is not going to be
subtle the change in your speakers

:)
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Oh...boy I think I'm f*&^d .
 
Do they sell screws for my speakers ? I mean its not conventional screws or should I just place them under metal bars ?

Any idea ?
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BlueMcIntosh said:
Do they sell screws for my speakers ? I mean its not conventional screws or should I just place them under metal bars ?

Any idea ?
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Your dealer should know or he can call Stillpoints and ask. Maybe David or Nelson will know too.


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Like Mike said,

Contact your dealer and ask for the adapters.
Attached a list of the common ones that Stillpoints have
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Dpod4 said:
Yes easier to level via ultra 5s than screws built into AMG.

I have still points under s5 speakers. Magico adamantly says not to. I don't buy it. The notion of height is ridiculous. We are not all the same height nor is our furniture the same height so tweeter to ear level varies anyway based on person and seat height.
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It's not about matching seating height with tweeter height so much as the raised speaker will drastically change the bass response.

I'm not saying don't do it, just wanted to point that out.
 
Dpod4 said:
High End Guy is there anyway of using still points 5,s under AMG deck
Which has very fine balancing feet
Thanks




Yes works like a charm
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What is your assessment experience of the impact of ultras under the amg? Especially as you have a symposium base already.
 
BlueMcIntosh said:
Thanks Kev. I went bed 3 am in the morning and as soon as I woke up start to listen to music again.

I have to warn every body who hasn't try the still points. If you not willing to spend $$$ Please don't even try these stuff.



Oh...boy I think I'm f*&^d .
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Hahaha, we told you so:exciting:image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg! You may as well plan on a few more weeks of those really late night sessions and you may as well pull out your wallet and go on and get the other orders placed for more StillPoints too. Yes, I am gloating because misery loves company!

You asked the question about the attach bolts for your speaker, and as you know I have VA speakers too (although not those monsters you run - Beethoven Concert Grands are mine). Anyway I contacted StillPoints and they gave me the contact of the nearest reseller dealer and I called and they had them to me within a day or two that fit my speakers perfectly. But here is the catch, my pegs that come with my speakers are different as well, I found the bracket that the stands mount to the underside of the speaker had the fitting holes mounted there. Take a look at the photographs attached and you will see the pegs are still in place and my Ultra SS are mounted inside and under the speaker using the fittings you asked about. I use the existing pegs to stabilize my speakers (as you see my speakers are on fairly thick carpet) but the StillPoints bear the weight. This arrangement works perfectly for my system and gives me loads of totally transformed output from the speakers as everyone else has said here. I'm sure the folks at StillPoints will have good technical guidance for you if you call and speak to them directly (which is what I did). If you are concerned and don't mind getting your speakers on their sides to take a photo and see the possible mounting places, I'll bet they can really help you then.

All kidding aside, I really know what you mean about how dramatic the difference is; I nearly went through 1/3 of my collection in one weekend just enjoying how superb it all sounded! It was like getting a new system and a new music collection all at the same time! I hope this helps. Congratulations!

Olskool (Larry)
 
sharkmouth said:
Paul, the top plate on the SS's should be at least half a turn loose, the rest is your preference. Me, I just use them to get even pressure on all 4 under the component The use under amps in my guess is that they dissipate vibration that could be caused by sound or mechanical as in transformer etc., either way, they work.
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Kev and Paul, I first heard the StillPoints at RMAF 2012 when Roy Gregory did a session on system and listening room setup. His presentation took a system not mounted with any isolation, room treatments, speaker positions etc. then step by step took the audience through the process and showed the sound differences. When he got to the point of using the StillPoints he provided an explanation and said something that really stuck with me! He said The "traditional thinking" about isolation is that you want to keep vibrations and other reverberative effects isolated away from getting into the component. He then said that to the contrary, what should really be happening is the vibrations and reverberations created within the system that aimlessly bounce around inside the component need to be allowed to dissipate out and away from the component itself and this is what the StillPoints do. If understanding what I read, the energy is dissipated and converted to heat energy horizontally through the various levels of bearings instead of filtering up, down or just vertically.

Guys this is just a repeat of what I understood Mr. Gregory said and what I read. I basically think it is all voodoo :amazing: so I am not trying to disagree with anybody (you could tell me it is because there are little men inside them throwing lightning bolts off the unit and I would believe it - especially since how wickedly good it all sounds to me). I'm listening to some tunes now, Lonnie Liston Smith "Song for the Children," and the music is so much more detailed, with very well balanced tonal mid and upper ranges, has much more extended pure bass, headroom galore, and is just plain sweet overall! It is still some of the best money spent on my system. Having said all that I still have to remember it is all cumulative (speaker voicing, power cables, speaker cables, isolation, room acoustics, clean power and ground, and of course component quality. But the StillPoints sure made all the rest come together for me.

Olskool
 
Larry. Thanks so much. Yes you guys were right. Absolutely right. This $ 800 on my CD player makes $20K difference ( in-terms of sounds ) so I can carefully say it's worth every pennies. The sound stage got bigger also I can feel the depth got better and tighter bass.

I guess I will send an email to Still points tomorrow see they have better idea about my speakers.There are two screws on each metal brackets so I think that might be the place.

I haven't try on my speakers yet and kind of afraid to try them lol.
 
BlueMcIntosh said:
Larry. Thanks so much. Yes you guys were right. Absolutely right. This $ 800 on my CD player makes $20K difference ( in-terms of sounds ) so I can carefully say it's worth every pennies. The sound stage got bigger also I can feel the depth got better and tighter bass.

I guess I will send an email to Still points tomorrow see they have better idea about my speakers.There are two screws on each metal brackets so I think that might be the place.

I haven't try on my speakers yet and kind of afraid to try them lol.
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Yeah, sure, just go ahead and try to hold out and be afraid... You are going to just walk towards your speakers with StillPoints and your credit cards are going jump out of your wallet, get the phone, bring it to you, then dial the number and place the order for you! LOL

I'm going to buy a couple sets of mini's for my CD player, my phono stage, and QB4 power conditioner. Oh well, my poor kids will just have to get over me spending all their inheritance!
 
Olskool said:
Yeah, sure, just go ahead and try to hold out and be afraid... You are going to just walk towards your speakers with StillPoints and your credit cards are going jump out of your wallet, get the phone, bring it to you, then dial the number and place the order for you! LOL

I'm going to buy a couple sets of mini's for my CD player, my phono stage, and QB4 power conditioner. Oh well, my poor kids will just have to get over me spending all their inheritance!
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Hahaha You are killing me Larry. lol. I will try them soon however I only have 8 of them so to try on my speakers I have to take them off from my CD player :( .... will try them next few days. I am really enjoying 4 of them under my cd player so much at the moment. Don't want to even touch them.

I heard the mini is ok but not close to Ultra SS . He was describe as 1/5 of performance wise. By the way as Nelson said I want to try them on my amps as well.
 
Paul, just a thought, but before putting them under your speakers you may want to take them out of your system altogether for a few days for you to become acclimated to the sound without them. That way when you introduce them back in you'll get a real gauge for the "new" sound.
 
Olskool said:
Kev and Paul, I first heard the StillPoints at RMAF 2012 when Roy Gregory did a session on system and listening room setup. His presentation took a system not mounted with any isolation, room treatments, speaker positions etc. then step by step took the audience through the process and showed the sound differences. When he got to the point of using the StillPoints he provided an explanation and said something that really stuck with me! He said The "traditional thinking" about isolation is that you want to keep vibrations and other reverberative effects isolated away from getting into the component. He then said that to the contrary, what should really be happening is the vibrations and reverberations created within the system that aimlessly bounce around inside the component need to be allowed to dissipate out and away from the component itself and this is what the StillPoints do. If understanding what I read, the energy is dissipated and converted to heat energy horizontally through the various levels of bearings instead of filtering up, down or just vertically.

Guys this is just a repeat of what I understood Mr. Gregory said and what I read. I basically think it is all voodoo :amazing: so I am not trying to disagree with anybody (you could tell me it is because there are little men inside them throwing lightning bolts off the unit and I would believe it - especially since how wickedly good it all sounds to me). I'm listening to some tunes now, Lonnie Liston Smith "Song for the Children," and the music is so much more detailed, with very well balanced tonal mid and upper ranges, has much more extended pure bass, headroom galore, and is just plain sweet overall! It is still some of the best money spent on my system. Having said all that I still have to remember it is all cumulative (speaker voicing, power cables, speaker cables, isolation, room acoustics, clean power and ground, and of course component quality. But the StillPoints sure made all the rest come together for me.

Olskool
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:)
I told you all they are no joke
is very addictive
Glad that is not in my head and this really do miracles on your systems

Enjoy it till they empty your pockets dry
hahaha
 
BlueMcIntosh said:
Hahaha You are killing me Larry. lol. I will try them soon however I only have 8 of them so to try on my speakers I have to take them off from my CD player :( .... will try them next few days. I am really enjoying 4 of them under my cd player so much at the moment. Don't want to even touch them.

I heard the mini is ok but not close to Ultra SS . He was describe as 1/5 of performance wise. By the way as Nelson said I want to try them on my amps as well.
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Paul,
Please don't try them on your speakers
I beg you not to do it, it will make you invest in them immediately
If you like the improvement on the CD, the improvement on the speakers is much much more.

I'm saying this as a friend, don't do it ..... :exciting::D

N.
 
highEndguy said:
Paul,
Please don't try them on your speakers
I beg you not to do it, it will make you invest in them immediately
If you like the improvement on the CD, the improvement on the speakers is much much more.

I'm saying this as a friend, don't do it ..... :exciting::D

N.
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+1. Under the speakers is like audio drugs that you can't get enough of.

I want to try some Ultra SS's under my Cary CAD 211 FE amps (did I mention how much I love these amps with the Psvane Replica tubes? :).) However, I've been told I need to take the amps apart to get at the bolts that secure the feet. My thinking is that tube amps and tube preamps would be very susceptible to vibration build up because of the delicate microphonic nature of tubes themselves and the fact they are sitting right next to the speakers on a subfloor!

The next step would be my big power conditioners. Then preamp, phonostage and then sources.

What I am also curious about is how the Ultra SS's compare to the Ultra 5. The Ultra 5's add up quickly. ;)


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