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Spotify HiFi is a lossless streaming tier coming later this year - The Verge
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Spotify HiFi is coming
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MPW
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I'm interested to understand what plans, if any, Roon has to integrate any of these other streaming services, particularly Spotify. My understanding is that it is highly unlikely that Spotify will ever be available on Roon. If that is that case, I sure hope Qobuz and/or Tidal survive.
Jack
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Funny you think the ones that are iffy are the ones that are lossless.
Roon would love to be able to integrate with Spotify. But Spotify has not allowed it. I doubt it ever will.
I have a Roon lifetime subscription so I hope that Qobuz survives.
More than likely, Roon might be purchased by a bigger company.
Who knows, maybe Spotify buys them out and offers Roon’s music management capabilities as part of a higher tier.
Yes, because Spotify will offer a lossless tier as well. Consequently both Tidal and Qobuz will likely lose subscribers as a result.
Mr Peabody
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I think Spotify becoming lossless is significant as they have a large existing customer base.
How much is Spotify Premium? Tidal may struggle being the most expensive of all the services.
How much is Spotify Premium? Tidal may struggle being the most expensive of all the services.
Exactly.
No idea how much Spotify Premium tier will be; I would guess a few ($3 maybe) extra dollars a month.
Agree. Spotify has several advantages over Tidal (and also Qobuz), to note:
- a larger library
- millions of subscribers around the world
- easier to share music with friends
- better search functions
- better playlist sharing
Tidal has the extra disadvantage that it is eliminating lossless CD-quality offerings and will only be offering (lossy) MQA titles.
If Spotify were able to integrate with Roon, I personally would have no need for a lossless music service like Qobuz. For now, I am using both Qobuz and Spotify.
they won't lose subscribers, they will go bankrupt.
Spotify is used by all young people so adding Spotify hifi will be easy in a family. then no need for the oldies to keep Tidal or Qobuz.
Man this sucks for those of us that have Tidal and were in the military. I only pay 11$ a month for the top tier. My fees are going to at least double for any of these other services. I don't see Tidal surviving this.
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Jack
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With Qobuz on a yearly subscription I only pay $12.50 a month so certainly not double.
CPP
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The numbers speak for themselves: As of the third quarter of 2020, Spotify had 144 million premium subscribers, if they offer a nice Hifi option at a decent price, well it could be curtains for Tidal and Qobuz as much as I enjoy Qobuz if the quality of the recording it there, well! WE shall see.
FYI:
Apple Music: Apple Music subscribers worldwide 2015-2020. Estimates suggest that Apple Music had 72 million subscribers worldwide in June 2020
According to estimates, Amazon Music had 55 million subscribers worldwide in January 2020.
YouTube now has over 30 million music and premium paid subscribers,
Tidal has claimed to have over 3 million subscribers, although the veracity of those claims and their reported streaming numbers have been questioned
Qobuz : Hi-res focused streaming service Qobuz has told Variety that it now has 200,000 customers globally, including more than 25,000 in the US,
FYI:
Apple Music: Apple Music subscribers worldwide 2015-2020. Estimates suggest that Apple Music had 72 million subscribers worldwide in June 2020
According to estimates, Amazon Music had 55 million subscribers worldwide in January 2020.
YouTube now has over 30 million music and premium paid subscribers,
Tidal has claimed to have over 3 million subscribers, although the veracity of those claims and their reported streaming numbers have been questioned
Qobuz : Hi-res focused streaming service Qobuz has told Variety that it now has 200,000 customers globally, including more than 25,000 in the US,
for my needs and use case, i am sticking w/ qobuz ...0 issues, library is now populated across all genres and comparable to all the other streaming services, very high level of satisfaction.
also, i like that i can buy downloads in a variety of resolutions directly from qobuz
ymmv
spotify as a platform brings nothing, nada, zilch to the table for me. as reported, spotify HiFi is only cd resolution. 24-bit word length is relevant to me. more importantly, roon integration is unlikely at the current time.
tidal with their MQA emphasis is irrelevant to me (and at some point the market) and just too fubar.
i don't see qobuz going away. too may folks want to play in this space, so worst case is they get bought.
tidal with their MQA emphasis is irrelevant to me (and at some point the market) and just too fubar.
i don't see qobuz going away. too may folks want to play in this space, so worst case is they get bought.
also, i like that i can buy downloads in a variety of resolutions directly from qobuz
ymmv
Mr Peabody
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I wonder if Qobuz membership dropped, I saw a comparison last year giving them higher numbers. I think they could hang on as a nitch with offering high res. I don't see them and Spotify competing for the same type customer. Shockingly low membership though.
Although Tidal's membership is larger thanQobuz I think they have a concern. Depends on how many of their customers are MQA hardliners.
I predict Amazon will be alright, the rope enough customers in via other means.
It would be interesting to see if memberships trended up or down over the last couple years.
Although Tidal's membership is larger thanQobuz I think they have a concern. Depends on how many of their customers are MQA hardliners.
I predict Amazon will be alright, the rope enough customers in via other means.
It would be interesting to see if memberships trended up or down over the last couple years.
Interesting take. I still think that the Spotify folks would be foolish not to add $2-$3 dollars for the CD-quality content and use some of that money to pay something extra to the “creators”.
I recently put together a Raspberry Pi streamer with the aim of being able to stream Spotify. That set up can do bit-perfect CD-quality streams.
I should explore how to integrate Spotify and HQPlayer. If it is possible to do so, then one can feed Spotify CD-quality tracks to HQPlayer and HQP can upconvert them to whatever you want, apply DSP and filters via HQP and then send it to the DAC. You get some of the benefits or Roon (up converting, filters, DSP) while using Spotify.
I think that Roon will end up losing subscribers (those who move from Tidal/Qobuz to Spotify and feel that they no longer need Roon). I am a lifetime Roon subscriber and do enjoy its music data management capabilities. But at the end of the day, what really matters is the music. And Spotify’s music library is the most complete in my view.
