Speaker cables for Shindo speakers

Well, maybe.... But buying WW cable is like financing terrorism. Maybe it was just my particular "dealer."

In any event, I've been using A23 for years. I'm open to new suggestions. I would not buy the Shindo cable. I can't wrap my head around those prices for cable. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that audio prices are a huge deterrent from my enjoyment of hifi. Even if I can afford it, I still feel guilty about the cost. Sorry for that digression, but it's relevant to my thinking on cables. Where the cost of cables so vastly exceeds material plus reasonable labor, results are difficult to predict and quantify, and other options exist, I'm going elsewhere.

Maybe the A23 was just not a match for your new speakers? That would be a surprise, I suppose, given Keith's altec preference. What are the details of your new speakers?


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Hi Kev,

To me, buying WW cables either in France or in the US has always been easy and trouble free.

The friend who brought me the A23 also has Shindo speaker cables to sell. He actually lived for 15 years in Japan and he visited Mr. Shindo often.
But I stand very close to you on this. Even at half the price, I cannot imagine to pay so much money for cables. Although the best cables I ever had with my Shindo amps are made of pure silver. But only 1 meter length. Not usable in my new room where the monoblocks are no more close too the speakers.

My speakers use a 414A driver, and a 807 compression with a W32A horn. A design inspired by the Petite Latour.

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Nice but how are they "inspired"? Do they differ from the Shindo or are they copied? I do not know enough about the petites to know.

As to Wireworld, yes, I bet it was.


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No they differ.
The thickness of the cabinet is 19 mm and not the thin walls design. Internally mine use thick carpeting for absorption instead of very light wool fiber for Shindo. The filter crossover frequency is very different also.
I bet the Shindo Petite Latour sounds stunning.
Mine sound wonderful too.
 
Hi Kev,

To me, buying WW cables either in France or in the US has always been easy and trouble free.

The friend who brought me the A23 also has Shindo speaker cables to sell. He actually lived for 15 years in Japan and he visited Mr. Shindo often.
But I stand very close to you on this. Even at half the price, I cannot imagine to pay so much money for cables. Although the best cables I ever had with my Shindo amps are made of pure silver. But only 1 meter length. Not usable in my new room where the monoblocks are no more close too the speakers.

My speakers use a 414A driver, and a 807 compression with a W32A horn. A design inspired by the Petite Latour.

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Wow!
Jerome, Just gorgeous. Your floor looks almost 3D. I love my PL and I'd bet yours are amazing, too. My PL are slightly different. They have the same drivers I think, but a different horn, and are vented in front. I've not opened them up to look inside. The power supply for the field coils take quite a bit of space and are quite massive.


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Wow!
Jerome, Just gorgeous. Your floor looks almost 3D. I love my PL and I'd bet yours are amazing, too. My PL are slightly different. They have the same drivers I think, but a different horn, and are vented in front. I've not opened them up to look inside. The power supply for the field coils take quite a bit of space and are quite massive.


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Jeromes speakers are not Shindo. They are not PL. they are made to look like Shindo.


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Jeromes speakers are not Shindo. They are not PL. they are made to look like Shindo.


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Right. My first instinct was to call them Shinclones but that would make me a hypocrite. I like playing with Altec parts and doing that - and being way more influenced by Sound Practices than TAS - was what led me down my hifi road. It totally enriches my relationship with Shindo. Does that make sense? That probably makes no sense to guys who chase the latest Magico or ARC revisions, but anyone can *buy* gear. It goes back to a (very unpopular) theme that guides my hifi journey. You can pick your parts from the stereophile list and mash them up. Always substituting this newly raved about product for last years. OR you can find the sound you like, dig into the history and the nuts and bolts and reap the rewards.

My advice to Shindo guys - if you can't or don't want to swing the Shindo speakers (not directed to Jerome), definitely go the vintage altec route.




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Chris, I know... He explained some of the the differences. I've happily made my bed with Shindo.

They still look good though! Plus his room looks really good, too. IMO
 
Oh I think they are cool. I love the vintage altec thing. Got some myself. I just thought there may be some misunderstanding that they are shindo.

Kev - I agree.
 
Right. My first instinct was to call them Shinclones but that would make me a hypocrite. I like playing with Altec parts and doing that - and being way more influenced by Sound Practices than TAS - was what led me down my hifi road. It totally enriches my relationship with Shindo. Does that make sense? That probably makes no sense to guys who chase the latest Magico or ARC revisions, but anyone can *buy* gear. It goes back to a (very unpopular) theme that guides my hifi journey. You can pick your parts from the stereophile list and mash them up. Always substituting this newly raved about product for last years. OR you can find the sound you like, dig into the history and the nuts and bolts and reap the rewards.

My advice to Shindo guys - if you can't or don't want to swing the Shindo speakers (not directed to Jerome), definitely go the vintage altec route.




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I agree Kev.
A vintage unmodified pair of Vott, 19, 15, Valencias... is a more secure route for most people and will give excellent results.
The 19 is probably the best speaker when you have the room for it.
Even if you are gifted with your hands and know how to design a filter, making a great cabinet and designing a filter for a specific cabinet and drivers is extremely difficult.
I was very lucky to meet the guy who made mine. His name is Gilles.
He is a very talented pro carpenter, passionated in audio. He has multiple measuring devices and builds the filters and cut the port by ear + measures.
The guy is one of those persons that you meet once or twice in a life. He also hand builds planes in which he flies ( he's a pilot) and he sells them ! And a big fan of astronomy, former president of his town's astronomy associations, he built and polished his own mirrors !
Gilles reminds me of Peter Kesling. A genius in orthodontics who transformed the little company of his father into a huge international orthodontics manufactury. Mr. Kesling was also building planes on sundays !
The main difference being that Peter Kesling was born in a very wealthy and already successful family. While Gilles is a self made man who was born in a poor family. But they are made of the same texture. They truly believe that "impossible" is a word made for the simple minds and their ability for hard work is beyond imagination.


Clearly my speakers are NOT Shindo.
But my friend who listened to various Shindo speakers over the years told me that they sound truly wonderful and wants to order a pair. He told me that vey few people in the world can handmade a speaker that sounds like this one. Like Shindo, Gilles knows that each pair of vintage Altec drivers is unique and needs a custom made filter. ( My filter has a continuous adjustment of the compression driver from -6 to + 1 dB by the way ).
Moreover, even most talented pro carpenters do not know how to build cabinets of this quality. You can spot for example that no screws are apparent around the drivers on the face of the speaker. Just a little clue at how talented Gilles is. In France, Gilles is probably the only one able to make cabinets of this quality.

But Gilles is already working for me on a smaller floorstanding speaker for my living. With a 414 Altec or GPA, and we will use a TAD 2001 compression with horn which is less wide than the W32A and will make more discrete speakers in the living room.
While my PL inspired is 183 liters, the living speaker will be much smaller : 110 liters.
 
Wow!
Jerome, Just gorgeous. Your floor looks almost 3D. I love my PL and I'd bet yours are amazing, too. My PL are slightly different. They have the same drivers I think, but a different horn, and are vented in front. I've not opened them up to look inside. The power supply for the field coils take quite a bit of space and are quite massive.


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Thanks !!
 
I'm a bit leery of making the jump on the WE cables. They've been advertised on eBay for years before Jeff's positive write up. How can you be sure they are authentic and in good condition?

I can recommend the A23, but haven't really done much comparing speaker cables in my Shindo system. As to interconnects, I recommend that users of Shindo electronics stick to the use of cables with switchcraft terminations to match the jacks on Shindo gear. Some poo poo this idea as a marketing ploy, but I've heard JH express his frustration with broken jacks on several occasions and I suspect that there is some truth to the idea that many modern IC terminations may be too big for the stock Shindo jacks. If you've ever purchased vintage Shindo, you are probably familiar with the hollowed out barely functioning inputs.


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Reviewing this thread again yesterday coincided with me checking out my vintage Shindo. To illustrate the "hollowed out" IC jacks, I give you:

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I agree Kev.
A vintage unmodified pair of Vott, 19, 15, Valencias... is a more secure route for most people and will give excellent results.
The 19 is probably the best speaker when you have the room for it.
Even if you are gifted with your hands and know how to design a filter, making a great cabinet and designing a filter for a specific cabinet and drivers is extremely difficult.
I was very lucky to meet the guy who made mine. His name is Gilles.
He is a very talented pro carpenter, passionated in audio. He has multiple measuring devices and builds the filters and cut the port by ear + measures.
The guy is one of those persons that you meet once or twice in a life. He also hand builds planes in which he flies ( he's a pilot) and he sells them ! And a big fan of astronomy, former president of his town's astronomy associations, he built and polished his own mirrors !
Gilles reminds me of Peter Kesling. A genius in orthodontics who transformed the little company of his father into a huge international orthodontics manufactury. Mr. Kesling was also building planes on sundays !
The main difference being that Peter Kesling was born in a very wealthy and already successful family. While Gilles is a self made man who was born in a poor family. But they are made of the same texture. They truly believe that "impossible" is a word made for the simple minds and their ability for hard work is beyond imagination.


Clearly my speakers are NOT Shindo.
But my friend who listened to various Shindo speakers over the years told me that they sound truly wonderful and wants to order a pair. He told me that vey few people in the world can handmade a speaker that sounds like this one. Like Shindo, Gilles knows that each pair of vintage Altec drivers is unique and needs a custom made filter. ( My filter has a continuous adjustment of the compression driver from -6 to + 1 dB by the way ).
Moreover, even most talented pro carpenters do not know how to build cabinets of this quality. You can spot for example that no screws are apparent around the drivers on the face of the speaker. Just a little clue at how talented Gilles is. In France, Gilles is probably the only one able to make cabinets of this quality.

But Gilles is already working for me on a smaller floorstanding speaker for my living. With a 414 Altec or GPA, and we will use a TAD 2001 compression with horn which is less wide than the W32A and will make more discrete speakers in the living room.
While my PL inspired is 183 liters, the living speaker will be much smaller : 110 liters.

Pretty interesting. Enjoy the speakers.


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By the way, to bring this thread full circle, I decided to get Shindo speaker cables. They made a huge difference from the moment I installed them, even before my 604's were broken-in. Now that they are run-in a lot more, the system can be so beguiling that, like many of you, I've also developed an exhausting habit of late night listening. Tonight, after the end of the last song, I was moved to give thanks to the wonderful artists to whom I had listened and to Mr. Shindo. Such intimate and lovely sounds.
 
By the way, to bring this thread full circle, I decided to get Shindo speaker cables. They made a huge difference from the moment I installed them, even before my 604's were broken-in. Now that they are run-in a lot more, the system can be so beguiling that, like many of you, I've also developed an exhausting habit of late night listening. Tonight, after the end of the last song, I was moved to give thanks to the wonderful artists to whom I had listened and to Mr. Shindo. Such intimate and lovely sounds.

Yes,
When I hear the effect of Shindo's IC on the system, I can guess that the speaker cables will make a nice difference. Congrats !
I will try a pair of speaker cables too.
 
I would use Shindo speaker cables, too if I didn't have an 16 ft run... A23 is all I can afford. BTW, Shindo just made me a custom DIN/RCA phono cable for my AMG TT, but I do not yet have it installed. I'm looking forward to that. It was very reasonably priced, so I'd bet you get a lot for the money with their speaker cables, even though they are pricey.

By the way, to bring this thread full circle, I decided to get Shindo speaker cables. They made a huge difference from the moment I installed them, even before my 604's were broken-in. Now that they are run-in a lot more, the system can be so beguiling that, like many of you, I've also developed an exhausting habit of late night listening. Tonight, after the end of the last song, I was moved to give thanks to the wonderful artists to whom I had listened and to Mr. Shindo. Such intimate and lovely sounds.
 
I am now trying Shindo's speaker cables.
First impressions are positive.
More to come in a few days.

I think that you'll like them.

Before deciding on Shindo cables, I used A23, Nordost Tyr2 (both on demo from my dealer) and my Soundstrings. After a few weeks of speaker burn-in, I preferred the Nordost - better detail and midrange expansiveness - but much more expensive than A23. It wasn't a proper demo since the speakers still sounded pretty crappy - too green.

Glen and Jonathan always encouraged use of Shindo cables to get the intended "Shindo" sound. After the speakers opened up and sounded sweeter and I got a Vosne-Romanee, I decided to go in the direction I'd always intended - a full Shindo set up. It made a huge difference versus the Soundstrings. Of course, my impressions of the A23 and Nordost wires were limited by the speaker's performance when I had them.

Jerome, it will be interesting to hear your comparison of the A23 and Shindo cables.
 
They are very different.
I find the Shindo cables to be richer in harmonics and more saturated in colors. They are also more resolved. The level of details and transparency is incredible.
Honestly there was no match between the A23 and my WireWorld cables.
But the Shindo's are in a complete different league.
 
Interesting! Well you just described, better than I, what I heard when I swapped out the Soundstrings for the Shindos.
 
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