Sounds more analog

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I hear it all the time, "It sounds more analog." I've said it myself on more than one occasion, but what are we really saying? What exactly does "It sounds more analog" mean? The fact is everything we hear is analog no matter what the origin of the source. That is how human hearing works. Our ears sense frequency differences and fluctuations in air pressure. That is the essence of what analog sound is. Everything we hear is analog, so when we say something sounds more analog what are we really saying? Are we conveying our idea of a recorded and reproduced sound to an actual true sound? Does the idea of perfect audio reproduction have different analog levels, sort of like "true", "truer", and "truest"? When we say a recording sounds analog, at what level does that become the most accurate descriptor for the sound we are experiencing?

I understand that an analog recording captures the original and true sound via microphones, converts the analog frequencies and sound pressure differences to movement of a microphone's diaphragm which in turn generates a corresponding electrical signal that is in turn converted to a magnetic flux field that is captured on magnetic recording tape. Reversing this process takes the magnetic flux density variations on the tape and converts them back to an electrical signal representative of the original analog sound. It sends those signals through multiple amplifiers that eventually increases the voltage levels high enough to energize a speaker's voice coil, thus setting the speaker cone in motion to create fluctuations in air pressure and frequency that represents a relative facsimile of the true original sound. The same process happens for digital recording up to the point where the analog signal is converted to digital before being recorded. The reverse happens for reproduction of the original and true sound by converting the digital signal back to analog electrical wave forms for amplification high enough to energize speaker cones that in turn create analog wave forms of varying frequency and pressure fluctuations to produce sound.

In my opinion, it is a given that there is no such thing as perfect sound reproduction. At best reproduced sound is only a duplicate with imperfections that are nonexistent in the original and true sound. There are many compromises made in order to capture sound to tape, vinyl, or digital recordings. Compromises may not be applicable from one format to the next but all formats suffer to one degree or another from necessary decisions and inherent shortcomings of the mechanical and electrical restrictions of each process.

In the end all methods of capturing the original and true sound result in an analog electrical signal being recreated and analog wave forms emanating from our speakers as sound. So, what exactly are we saying when we describe one sound as being "more analog" than another sound?
 
Dan - if people have a reference for what they think analog sounds like (years living with a TT, R2R, etc.), than they know the organic nature of analog sounds. What I find most interesting is in speaking with younger audiophiles who frankly, did not grow up with R2R's and TT's. Their foundation for sound is rooted in some other sonic characteristic. For example, I have sent many "analog" sounding DAC's (Lampi, Lumin A1, etc.) to some younger audiophiles to demo and their feedback is usually, "yuck, sounds mushy", "why is the bass so flabby?" or "why is the top end is so rolled off?"

Now, with respect to the spatial cues of analog, that's a whole different discussion. This, many die hard analog fans argue, cannot be measured. These are the spatial cues associated with a venues recording and a sense of time and space of that recording. I know the die hard digital folks will say "HOGWASH!", but it's certainly an argument.

 
I hear it all the time, "It sounds more analog."

I can understand what is "vinyl sound", "tape sound".

But I don't know what is "analog sound". There are no certain sings that allow to distinguish analog and digital sound.

At last no such thing as "digital sound". It is analog sound in moment when we hear it.
 
Mike.......I am from the analog generation. I logged nearly 20 years of vinyl LP and tape playback as my main source components long before digital was invented. I understand the point you are making. I am not trying to create an analog versus digital discussion. That horse has been beat to death and rotted. I am hoping to hear opinions on what makes something sound more analog than something considered less so. As we are well aware of there are hideously poor recordings on all of the formats and there are spectacular recordings on all of the formats, so it isn't always just about a given recording medium. I am interested in hearing what exactly it is that triggers us emotionally, making us feel one recording has an essence of life that a lesser recording does not. What is it that causes us to tag one recording as more analog than another recording.
 
Analog to me, aside from the spatial cues argument, is smoother on top, fuller in body and rich in sound. Bass is natural (meaning, not artificially overly "tight").

Analog sounds make you want to listen, listen longer, listen to an album all the way through and then listen again.

Analog sounds makes me tap my toes. I feel more of a visceral experience when something sounds "analog".

Analog is natural sounds, not manufactured.


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I started with vinyl, but then went 25 years with digital only. Last year I tried vinyl for the first time in a high-end system. In digital I do not care about the Lampis & Co - think they're not accurate enough - but now I am almost exclusively listening to vinyl.

Vinyl gives me the most joy and pleasure, I cannot tell exactly why that is.


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Mike ,

I have to say , I do get the toe tapping and dance moods from digital too , so for me that's not the analog sound. There can be a larger than life sound associated with digital recordings where analog tends to be far more proportional in its playback , but mostly i would say there is no "electronic " noise to analog , analog playback Thd is much more natural sounding to us and is similar to what we hear naturally ...



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I think Mike's description is near perfect, stressing as he does the uncanny spatial cues and smoother top end. I would only add (and this is not original or unfamiliar) that analogue regularly creates moments of astonishing virtual reality. Typing right now I am listening to a CD player that sounds good. But unlike my best vinyl, I am completely aware that I am listening to a stereo and not to the real thing.
 
If you are streaming digital i would agree too , never heard a streaming system that did it for me ....

But what is the "analog " sound ....? iMO , The answer lies in the THD content ....



Regards
 
Analog, you know it when you hear it. [emoji41]


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Anti-aliasing have no deep suppression. Especially analog filter. Especially for low sample rates.
 
Yuri,

The focus is distortion content , one is even the other odd order. The ear is sensitive to this, same for loudspeakers and tooby amps , high THD content go unnoticed vs SS due to content..

To those sensitive to it, Digital will never sound natural...


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What is SS? It is transistors?

"Digital sound" is only part of big system (DAC > Amp > Speakers).

At last after amplifier, digital sound transformated to analog :)
 
Interesting that today you might record a song onto analog tape, but mix and master it digitally vs a purely analog recording would be something that was recorded on tape and produced using manual equipment to mix, master and press into a vinyl LP. So music that you listen to today could very well be "analog" with digital assistance. I always enjoy the "analog sound' be it a pure analog master or even music that sounds like analog with alittle digital assistance as an example Mark Knopfler 'Get Lucky" .
 
Analog to me, aside from the spatial cues argument, is smoother on top, fuller in body and rich in sound. Bass is natural (meaning, not artificially overly "tight").

Analog sounds make you want to listen, listen longer, listen to an album all the way through and then listen again.

Analog sounds makes me tap my toes. I feel more of a visceral experience when something sounds "analog".

Analog is natural sounds, not manufactured.

Nailed it Mike.
 
I wonder why digital television doesn't get the same pounding that digital audio does? TV picture and sound used to be analog. It's digital TV now or nothing. A high resolution picture is universally praised. High resolution digital audio gets nitpicked to the bone on a regular basis.
 
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