Shunyata Research Announces Everest

Gondo101 said:
Well, I don’t think they can reverse engineering based on photo only.
I requested internal photo of denali 6000sv2 in the past (post #64 in link below) and Caelin was happily provided the photo, of course it is up to Caelin, but again, why not 😁

Shunyata Denali 6000/S v2
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You are right. We not only do we show internal photos, we also explain why our products are superior and when possible we explain the technology or point you to the patents. Some things we choose to keep proprietary for obvious reasons. KPIP would be an example.
 
Gondo101 said:
Woow, thanks Caelin.
It explains Zone 1 and Zone 6 situation 😜
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Yes, to keep production cost down we use certain components across multiple products. That’s how we make products at half the expected price points.

The coffin is used in the Alpha, Sigma, Denali and Everest products. What’s in the coffin varies according to the specific product. But as you can see it was designed to be modular for 6 zones.
 
CGabriel said:
Yes, to keep production cost down we use certain components across multiple products. That’s how we make products at half the expected price points.

The coffin is used in the Alpha, Sigma, Denali and Everest products. What’s in the coffin varies according to the specific product. But as you can see it was designed to be modular for 6 zones.
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Thanks Caelin,
I am happy with my Denali 6000 and 2000 combo, I will wait for upcoming 6000 “companion”
So, will it be CMode Filter plus additional QRBB supercharger?
 
Supercharged QR/BB is possible
CMode due to massive size can’t be done.
And Everest exclusive for now.
 
First off I own a Triton V3 and Typhon v1. Very nice products and I plan on evaluating and most likely upgrading to the Everest. I wanted to buy a Typhon QR back in February but it was discontinued (while being shown as available on the website). Major downer.

Being the curious type I gave the product pictured a try. (I am sure Caelin has fully dissected it). To me it seems to be too strong if that makes sense. It really seems to steal dynamics from the system. There are a lot of different ferroelectric materials that absorb HF noise. The different materials also have peak absorption in different frequency bands. I am not sure exactly what "mix" Shunyata uses nor do I know what "mix" this product uses. But I would make a strong guess that the material used in the two products are not the same. Anybody can order a copper tube, ferroelectic, a wire and epoxy it all together and hope for the best. Do this a few hundred times to get the "best" mix and you might end up with something that sounds as good as the Typhon. I think part of what you pay for is that fact that Caelin has probably ordered every type of ferroelectric and found the best mix through a lot of trial and error as well as measuring the impact.
 
As you have pointed out, no product’s performance is dependent upon one part or one technology. Everything matters. It takes knowledge, time and patience to design a great product.
 
Everest on the way and question for Caelin

My Everest will ship next Tuesday along with an Omega XC to use with it. Since I already own a Typhon QR, I’ll see if the Everest sounds better alone or with the Typhon into its dedicated 20 amp AC line with of my front end gear (2 DACs, SACD Transport, preamp and music server) and compare with the Typhon/Denali 6000v2 which I’m using now.

I plan on doing everything on a stepwise basis; first using the Everest into the Typhon with my original Sigma v1 power cord and Sigma umbilical cord. Then I’ll try the Everest with the Omega XC from the wall outlet with the new Sigma Reference umbilical cord from Typhon to Everest. Finally I’ll use the Everest sans Typhon with both the original Sigma v1 and then with the Omega to see what the Omega adds to the mix . Maybe the Typhon with the Everest will then become redundant and no longer needed?

Caelin, I do have a question for you for upgrades down the line:

Since your new line of power cords have just came out and very few are in the field and I know that this is impossible to know without trying first, do you think that upgrading the Sigma v1 PCs to the Reference NR into both of my DACs (Ayre QX-5 & PS Audio DirectStream) might make a larger improvement than the the Omega NR’s to my Ayre R series mono-block amps which run on their their own dedicated 20 amp AC circuits or try the Omegas with my Ayre amps first? In other words, if it were you, which would you try first? Thanks and appreciated.
 
Re: Everest on the way and question for Caelin

RLF said:
My Everest will ship next Tuesday along with an Omega XC to use with it. Since I already own a Typhon QR, I’ll see if the Everest sounds better alone or with the Typhon into its dedicated 20 amp AC line with of my front end gear (2 DACs, SACD Transport, preamp and music server) and compare with the Typhon/Denali 6000v2 which I’m using now.

I plan on doing everything on a stepwise basis; first using the Everest into the Typhon with my original Sigma v1 power cord and Sigma umbilical cord. Then I’ll try the Everest with the Omega XC from the wall outlet with the new Sigma Reference umbilical cord from Typhon to Everest. Finally I’ll use the Everest sans Typhon with both the original Sigma v1 and then with the Omega to see what the Omega adds to the mix . Maybe the Typhon with the Everest will then become redundant and no longer needed?

Caelin, I do have a question for you for upgrades down the line:

Since your new line of power cords have just came out and very few are in the field and I know that this is impossible to know without trying first, do you think that upgrading the Sigma v1 PCs to the Reference NR into both of my DACs (Ayre QX-5 & PS Audio DirectStream) might make a larger improvement than the the Omega NR’s to my Ayre R series mono-block amps which run on their their own dedicated 20 amp AC circuits or try the Omegas with my Ayre amps first? In other words, if it were you, which would you try first? Thanks and appreciated.
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RE: Testing Everest Combinations

My advice is to remove all power devices and test the Everest by itself, first. Give it a good week to settle (burn-in). Use it with the Omega XC so they can both settle together. They are new and will change rapidly in the first week of use. So you want them to stabilize before making any judgements. This also gives a good amount of time to really understand what the Everest / Omega are doing.

Then, after that, reintroduce one component/cable at a time to hear what they do or don’t do for performance.

RE: PC Cable Upgrades
Every cable matters to overall system performance. The cable that matters most in not necessarily a “type” of component as in amplifier or source component. It is rather a complex contextual decision matrix that is individual to each system. Generally speaking the cable that has the biggest impact will be the cable that is the poorest or weakest performing cable in the system. When you upgrade that cable is when you will say OMG. Unfortunately, it also gives you a false sense of knowing that the component is the most important component in the system. When truthfully it was simply that the power cable for that component was underperforming compared to the others in the system.

This is why I advise upgrading PCs in a balanced method. Choosing a level of performance that you can afford to apply across all components instead of buying a very expensive cord for your amps and then skimping on the components. Buying power cables at a lower price level but applying them across all components will give better overall system performance than using a very expensive cord on a single component.

There are certain digital components that don’t follow this rule but those are all computer audio related.
 
RLF, having the new Sigma XC's here into Triton V3's and Alpha V2 NR on source/preamp I can attest to that what you are proposing would take considerable time. I've had the new cables for 2 weeks and I'm still adjusting to what happened! ;)

I would also say, if you are serious about using the Typhon QR, get an XC umbilical for it, and with your setup an Omega actually makes sense. :) I came from Sigma HC's and this is a new beginning. Thankfully Shunyata KPIP process takes care of the hard-burn in period but still, you will notice obvious things settling in.

I don't understand what you are referring to as new Sigma Reference umbilical cord, is that a Sigma XC? In that case you have what you need.

I would simply connect as this first and let it settle for 2 weeks:

Omega XC->Typhon QR->Sigma/Omega XC->Everest.

If you later want to verify which part is doing what that is fine, but let the new stuff settle in good before swapping things around because your old HC's and equipment are already settled in.
 
Re: Everest on the way and question for Caelin

CGabriel said:
RE: Testing Everest Combinations

My advice is to remove all power devices and test the Everest by itself, first. Give it a good week to settle (burn-in). Use it with the Omega XC so they can both settle together. They are new and will change rapidly in the first week of use. So you want them to stabilize before making any judgements. This also gives a good amount of time to really understand what the Everest / Omega are doing.

Then, after that, reintroduce one component/cable at a time to hear what they do or don’t do for performance.

RE: PC Cable Upgrades
Every cable matters to overall system performance. The cable that matters most in not necessarily a “type” of component as in amplifier or source component. It is rather a complex contextual decision matrix that is individual to each system. Generally speaking the cable that has the biggest impact will be the cable that is the poorest or weakest performing cable in the system. When you upgrade that cable is when you will say OMG. Unfortunately, it also gives you a false sense of knowing that the component is the most important component in the system. When truthfully it was simply that the power cable for that component was underperforming compared to the others in the system.

This is why I advise upgrading PCs in a balanced method. Choosing a level of performance that you can afford to apply across all components instead of buying a very expensive cord for your amps and then skimping on the components. Buying power cables at a lower price level but applying them across all components will give better overall system performance than using a very expensive cord on a single component.

There are certain digital components that don’t follow this rule but those are all computer audio related.
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Thank you for the great advice with using the Everest alone with the Omega XC for a week or more so that they can settle in together. Sometime after that I will try the Everest with my Typhon QR with the new Reference Series v2 umbilical which is supposed to ship with my order. BTW, I didn’t ask my dealer, but is that upgraded Typhon umbilical an XC since the Typhon has so much built in noise reduction?

As for cables, that it great advice and what I try to do. Since my amps are on their own separate dedicated AC line, I auditioned a number of power cords with them and ended up with the one that sounded best with them. When I originally saw your announcement of the Omega NR with all of it’s built in technologies, I wanted to audition a pair for my amps to compare with what I’m using now and probably the direction which I will go next.
 
Crion said:
RLF, having the new Sigma XC's here into Triton V3's and Alpha V2 NR on source/preamp I can attest to that what you are proposing would take considerable time. I've had the new cables for 2 weeks and I'm still adjusting to what happened! ;)

I would also say, if you are serious about using the Typhon QR, get an XC umbilical for it, and with your setup an Omega actually makes sense. :) I came from Sigma HC's and this is a new beginning. Thankfully Shunyata KPIP process takes care of the hard-burn in period but still, you will notice obvious things settling in.

I don't understand what you are referring to as new Sigma Reference umbilical cord, is that a Sigma XC? In that case you have what you need.

I would simply connect as this first and let it settle for 2 weeks:

Omega XC->Typhon QR->Sigma/Omega XC->Everest.

If you later want to verify which part is doing what that is fine, but let the new stuff settle in good before swapping things around because your old HC's and equipment are already settled in.
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Thanks for the report on your new Sigma XC and Alpha v2.

As you can see from Caelin’s advice above, I plan on using the Everest with the Omega XC to let it settle in before even considering experimenting with my Typhon. I have ordered the upgraded “Reference XC Series v2” umbilical for the Typhon for eventual evaluation use/trial with the Everest.

From the Shunyata website, they name what I assume is the new Sigma v2 as the “REFERENCE NR/XC Series v2” and it’s the Reference v2 XC which I’ve believe was ordered for my Typhon umbilical. Maybe Caelin can chime in too about the naming of the umbilical too? I am also going to check with my dealer about it. Fortunately, my dealer has a lengthy trial period for all of his products.
 
Re: Everest on the way and question for Caelin

CGabriel said:
RE: Testing Everest Combinations

My advice is to remove all power devices and test the Everest by itself, first. Give it a good week to settle (burn-in). Use it with the Omega XC so they can both settle together. They are new and will change rapidly in the first week of use. So you want them to stabilize before making any judgements. This also gives a good amount of time to really understand what the Everest / Omega are doing.

Then, after that, reintroduce one component/cable at a time to hear what they do or don’t do for performance.

RE: PC Cable Upgrades
Every cable matters to overall system performance. The cable that matters most in not necessarily a “type” of component as in amplifier or source component. It is rather a complex contextual decision matrix that is individual to each system. Generally speaking the cable that has the biggest impact will be the cable that is the poorest or weakest performing cable in the system. When you upgrade that cable is when you will say OMG. Unfortunately, it also gives you a false sense of knowing that the component is the most important component in the system. When truthfully it was simply that the power cable for that component was underperforming compared to the others in the system.

This is why I advise upgrading PCs in a balanced method. Choosing a level of performance that you can afford to apply across all components instead of buying a very expensive cord for your amps and then skimping on the components. Buying power cables at a lower price level but applying them across all components will give better overall system performance than using a very expensive cord on a single component.

There are certain digital components that don’t follow this rule but those are all computer audio related.
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Excellent post, and your guidance as to how to proceed with evaluating Everest (first by itself as "the control") is also excellent from the pespective of sound scientific experimental design.
 
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Puma Cat said:
Excellent post, and your guidance as to how to proceed with evaluating Everest (first by itself as "the control") is also excellent from the pespective of sound scientific experimental design.
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+1 to Caelin’s advice above.
 
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-sorry, double post-
 
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I read the patent document and there is a diagram showing 2 “conductive strips (foils). So, is the picture above only showing 1 of 2 conductive strips inside QR/BB in Everest unit? Or 2 conductive strips have been “merged” into 1 as per picture?


I can’t still imagine how big is QRBB in Typhon QR (nine times vs. Denali’s)
 
Gondo101 said:
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I read the patent document and there is a diagram showing 2 “conductive strips (foils). So, is the picture above only showing 1 of 2 conductive strips inside QR/BB in Everest unit? Or 2 conductive strips have been “merged” into 1 as per picture?


I can’t still imagine how big is QRBB in Typhon QR (nine times vs. Denali’s)
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Looks like there are 2 conductive strips to me...

BTW, what is shown in the pic may be the QR/BB device in the Omega power cord...
 
Probably.
Shunyata used the same QR BB picture in both Omega and Everest digital brochure.
 
I received my Everest last Tuesday. I really like it's looks. Yes - it's tall. Lets get that out of the way.

I also got an Omega CX w it in the grey. It's a good looking combo. IMO

First day I replaced my Typhon QR/Triton 3 with just the Everest no CX. The space that it gave off was just amazing. It didn't have the treble smoothness and the bass wasn't as tight. But the depth and soundstage width and height was awesome. As I know how Shunyata products settle, I wasn't worried about the smoothness and bass.

After a couple days, it went so much past the typhon/triton in smoothness/bass. I then put in the Omega CX, at first it went back a little in smoothness. And after another 3 days - well .... it's definitely a different level. Just incredible! I'm pretty certain that over the next couple weeks it will even improve that much more. I had to leave Sunday with only 5 days on them. But I cant wait to get back next week to listen.

Well done Caelin.

As a side note - in the past with Shunyta cables, I never noticed a period of settling of a cable after it was moved. With the Omegas - it seems to take some hours after you move it to sound it's best. I redressed the existing 2 omega cables I had and the system performance went down. By the next morning it was back. This has happened 3 times now with the Omegas. Anybody else finding this?

I haven't had this to this extent since the old Cardas Golden speaker cables way back when. Yes - I'm old.
 
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