Shunyata Alpha V2 full loom

Yeah, so not sure if that’s the case but if the Alphas in general are a bit more earthy and the Sigmas a tad more refined a good balance between these two classes of cables seems the way to go.
Also I still have my Rega Osiris Integrated which is a lovely amp for driving my B&W 802 Diamond (prior series - the more beautiful one ;)). But I found that already with my AQ Hurricanes the system started to get on the bright side when adding the AQ Diamond (which the Sigma USB tamed quite a bit). My dealer said that Rega tends to sound there amps more on the speedy, fast, „in your face“ way. So it‘s maybe not the wisest to go totally nuts on cables before I haven‘t upgraded to a decent set of monos like the Bryston 28b3 or Moon 860v2 (maybe Mike has a good recommendation). With the Everest (+Sigma XC) and Alpha v2 down the line I feel in a good position to select the proper amp without tilting the system in one particular way.

Regarding Everest: We old-school Europeans always have to wait a little longer, but Caelin and my dealer said the shipment will arrive in the next weeks. I‘m also proud to have „only“ gone for the Everest upgrade for now and saving the Sigma XC for maybe Christmas so to have my presents spread over a longer time and more of those lovely upgrade moments.

Can you tease me a bit about the upcoming Everest experience (up from Denali v2) - you are a seasoned Everest user as far as I can tell?

The review by Vance Hiner in The Audio Beat is outstanding, my frend Vance does an excellent job describing what Everest brings to his system.

Shunyata Research Everest 8000 Power Conditioner - The Audio Beat - www.TheAudioBeat.com

So, I will just go with what Vance said.

And just add this: IMHO, the single most significant addition to my system in a decade.
 
Any updates in the loom settling in?

I came in the store yesterday morning and my employee had been listening to the full Alpha V2 loom in Room 1. He looks up at me and says, “this Shunyata loom is really good.”

My takeaway is that the power cords + IC’s + speaker cables is not 1 + 1 +1 = 3, but rather 1 + 1 + 1 = 10.
 
I came in the store yesterday morning and my employee had been listening to the full Alpha V2 loom in Room 1. He looks up at me and says, “this Shunyata loom is really good.”

My takeaway is that the power cords + IC’s + speaker cables is not 1 + 1 +1 = 3, but rather 1 + 1 + 1 = 10.

This is not surprising at all. This is because the PCs + IC + SPs interact as a system. From a systems engineering perspective, each cable class is a control factor and the System "responses" can be characterized by a transfer function. It is not at all uncommon for control factors to 1) exert more "leverage" (the magnitude or degree of the functional response) on in the transfer function than a factor of 1, and it is also not uncommon for the interaction of two or more factors to exert more than a factor of 1 influence on the transfer function. In fact, some of the factors or interactions can have a quadratic term in the transfer function, which means the influence is the square of 1 or more of the factors or their interactions.

Interactions in engineering, physics and chemistry are common. In physics, momentum, p, is the result of the interaction of the object's mass, m, and its velocity, v.
Hence the famous equation any physics student learns, p=mv

A famous example of a transfer function with a quadratic term is E=mc^2. In this transfer function, mass and speed light interact, but the interaction is actually the result of the square of the speed of light. Which makes the total energy of the system considerably larger.

Many systems are not a 1+1+1 thing, by any means. It all comes down to the control factors, the interaction of the control factors, and whether those control factors, or their interactions, exert a linear or higher-order influence on the system response.
 
I can't speak regarding the the new Alpha and Sigma IC's or SPs because I haven't heard them, but I have heard the new Alpha and Sigma PC and Ethernet cables extensively, and I'm personally of the view that one can't "quantify", or more importantly, distinguish with respect to percentages that Alpha V2 is "50% better" than Sigma V1 or Sigma V2 "XX%" better than Alpha V2. This is because, with these "2nd generation" cables, at least with respect to the new PCs, we've moved away from traditional audiophile lexicon we've used for years to what I personally find requires a lexicon describing fine musical instruments or musical performances. So, for me at least, blanket generalizations like, "50% more transparent!" or "30% more bass!" don't apply. This is because we have to move away traditional terms that audiophiles have used for decades describing "like" to a new language describing "kind". Using language like, "sounds 50% more like a Guadanigni cello!"...doesn't really work. Rather, one has an experience that lets one become more fully engaged and musically involved with Cecil Aronowitz of The Academy playing his Guadanigni very beautifully. You stop listening to "gear" and become engaged with the musical experience.

Moreover, with respect to the lovely musical qualities these cables provide, their performance is so good across the board, from Delta to Alpha to Sigma, that I am personally of the view that rather than going "all in" with say, Sigma throughout the system, one should arrange to audition some of the different levels and listen to what works best for your system and for your room. For example, I had a full loom of Sigma NR PCs in for evaluation when I wrote my review of the Sigma NR v2 PC for TAS, but for my system, personally, I've found that Sigma XC on Everest, Sigma NRv2 on the power amp, and...Alpha NRv2 for the preamp gave me a presentation, that for my room and the space I have in the room, gave me the most engaging musical experience. The Alpha V2 PCs have a beautiful, layered, and ariculated qualities in my system that I really love. I also had the Omega XC in for photography and listened to it, while it is amazing and staggering in its performance level, it was just...too much for my room. It was like driving a Porsche 919 Evo Hybrid racing car on my local twisty back roads. It's amazing and recording beating at the Nurburgring....but I don't live at the Nurburgring. If you've got a big, tall room with big speakers and big amps, you should definitely consider the Omega XC, But, my room is more like a small, nice twisty road on the backside of the Napa Valley, where a Porsche GT3 provides a more enjoyable experience.

Also, I'm confident that, as a Shunyata dealer, Mike could have gone with "all-Sigma" for his rooom and the system in this thread, but after conferring with Caelin, it was recommended that the Alpha level was the best match for the room, system, and components. And I really think that's how one should think about this new range of products.

So my personal guidance is to work with your dealer to audition the new cables at the different levels, ideally in your home, and decide based on actual listening. You may well find that, for example, the new Alpha SPs or ICs are so good, that you can save thousands over the cost of Sigma by going with them, and put the remaing funds towards a nice vacation with your family, etc.

Would welcome Mike and Mark thoughts here...

"...when I wrote my review of the Sigma NR v2 PC for TAS..." – did you mean the original (v1) Sigma NR, or have you indeed written a review of the Sigma NR v2 PC which will be appearing in a future issue of TAS? I just checked, & the only Sigma NR review I can find is from issue 284 in 2018...

As a side note, in the Fall 2020 "Speakers & Cables" issue, the Sigma NR is shown as having VTX-Ag conductors, but references the issue 284 review, which, of course did not then include the silver conductors...
 
"...when I wrote my review of the Sigma NR v2 PC for TAS..." – did you mean the original (v1) Sigma NR, or have you indeed written a review of the Sigma NR v2 PC which will be appearing in a future issue of TAS? I just checked, & the only Sigma NR review I can find is from issue 284 in 2018...

No, I wrote a review of the Sigma NR v2 PC. The review will publish in the December 2020 issue in conjunction with a review of the new Everest PD by Robert Harley.
 
Anyone here tried the Alpha v2 BNC clock cables? How do they compare with Sigma v1 BNC?
 
Hi,

Just received a clock V2, there does not look to have any direction arrows.

Are all the signal cables non directional as the 2 modules are exactly at the same position unlike the V1?
 
Hi,

Just received a clock V2, there does not look to have any direction arrows.

Are all the signal cables non directional as the 2 modules are exactly at the same position unlike the V1?

The CMode module is at the destination end.
 
Thanks, but for the Sgma, there is one at both ends, equidistance from the bnc.

Check on the Cmode module itself, it may indicate the direction of installation. For example, the directionality of the new Alpha V2 IC is indicated on the TAP module with a set of arrows.
 
Check on the Cmode module itself, it may indicate the direction of installation. For example, the directionality of the new Alpha V2 IC is indicated on the TAP module with a set of arrows.
Some do not, the pair of 1st run Sigma V2 Clock50 I have do not. That was later remedied I am told. The destination end CMode module has a serial number stamped into the housing on the lower portion. Caelin will confirm.

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Ahh... Thanks Mark!

I managed to find it or rather spot the serial number.

I kind of prefering it the wrong way round....
 
Yes , i do. For most cables i have heard, one direction sounds clearer/concise, more upfront/direct and details more energy which can seem to emphasize the higher octaves.

Other way sounds slightly less of the above and overall tad more diffused/warmer/relaxed.
 
Mine does not have arrows, so i have the luxury of using it any direction without losing sleep as if i was drivng on the wrong side of the road:)
 
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