Shunyata 6000S V2 Review

Hello everyone,

Nice review, I have one question though. I understand if lowers noise floor but what about voices and instruments "timbre"? Do they still sound real ?
Most people don't realize but besides positive effects, a conditioner could affect negatively the PRAT of a system making it slow or sluggish, instruments and voices could lose body and sound constrained, etc.
How good is this unit fomr this point of view, honestly ? I'm looking to buy it but I need a fair opinion.

Many power conditioners can, and do, impact the PRAT of a system, making sound slow or sluggish. The chokes, coils, and/or inductors typically used in most designs are generally responsible for this.

But the Shunyata series of power distributors do not do this because their top, #1 requirement is DTCD: Dynamic Transient Current Delivery. While the current models also provide noise reduction, DTCD is still the top requirement because this attribute is one of the most important for creating an engaging and involving musical experience, part of that is the PRAT you refer to.

The technological breakthrough the Denali series brings is outstanding noise reduction while NOT impacting DTCD. These two functional responses interact and historically, have been "conflicting" responses, i.e., make one better, and the other gets worse. The current Denali 6000/S V2 broke through this functional conflict to provide > 64-68 dB of NR while not impacting DTCD.

This is why you are reading so many comments from folks like Billt1 that are finding this product to be a breakthrough in power distributors.
 
... Power does matter. And many don’t know they have a noise problem until the noise is gone.

This applies to everything else on hifi.
Sometimes, many of us only realized what we are missing when we got better.


absolute black. Every note now holds it's own definition . Picture notes floating in air with nothing else as an influence ( except the room)

I´m with you.
This is the feeling when we lower the background noise. And I don't use any power conditioner.
 
Thanks for your response. I''m always skeptical of the words "absolute black" when describing the sound of music in a listening room. There is no recording studio or recording venue that is recording "absolute black" music. It doesn't exist in the real world and neither does it exist in our listening rooms. When I hear the term "absolute black," I think of a system that has had all the life sucked out of the music. All of our gear has a noise floor, and so does the gear used to record the music. All of our rooms have a noise floor. Digital recorded from analog tape should preserve the analog tape noise floor, but I'm hearing hi-rez recordings originally recorded on analog tape that have filtered out the noise floor of the analog tape and that is not the only thing getting filtered out.

Can you still hear the decay of notes or do they just abruptly end into a black hole? Can you hear when a pianist is stepping on the pedals and when they release the pedal? Can you hear when a drummer has a squeaky foot pedal? It's the little cues that add together to make our music reproduction cross the threshold into sounding more real, not real black.

Of course, there is no such thing as "absolute black". While its possible to significantly reduce the noise in a system, as long it is powered, there will always be some level of noise, even if this noise component is as low a level as "shot noise" or Johnson–Nyquist noise.

But, that being said, the noise reduction of the current Shunyata power distributors (PD) is considerable, ranging from >40dB on the Delta D6 as the entry level PD and greater than > 64-68 dB on the Denali.

With respect to the impact on sound quality, the considerable reduction in the noise floor is very notable, but the Denali also is very dynamic. For example, swings from pp to fff in full orchestral passages is very fast and but also very, very clean, so you can hear clearly all the small, intricate details, timbres, instrumental placement, size and position relative to other instruments during a quiet passage of an orchestra, and still have the impact and power of the timpani and bass drums during crescendos.

With respect to decay, that depends on the instrument. Not all instruments decay and trail off in to space in the same manner; this is very dependent on the note(s) and the specific instruments, but you can clearly hear the different ways that different instruments decay.

The other qualities or characteristics that I consistently hear are these and, I should preface this by saying that I typically use full orchestral classical music for these evaluations as it is spatially, "timbrally" and dynamically both more complex and nuanced than popular music that is recorded in "multiple mono" by "multi-miking".

1) the ability to clearly and cleanly hear a fairly quiet instrument, e.g. a classical guitar, against the background of the orchestra as a whole. For example, on Concerto de Aranjuez by Pepe Romero and The Academy, I can clearly distinguish Romero's position and guitar in the orchestra, and his guitar stands out cleanly resolved and naturally rendered vs. the "background" of the full orchestra. His guitar's notes and timbres are still cleanly discernable and does not get "swamped out" by the orchestra and full orchestral passages.
2) As the noise floor diminishes, the stereo image "opens up", becomes more extended and airy at the top end, and the "sound stage" becomes larger and more expansive, and individual voices, whether it be instruments or vocal, within that sound stage are more precisely rendered while revealing more positional "complexity" (i.e., more clearly defined layers of differentiated "voices")
3) As the noise floor drops, the "perceived loudness" increases, so you can actually turn the volume down and still hear more deeply into the presentation.
4) These products also impart a sense of "listening ease" by removing a layer of grittiness, spitty-ness, hash, etc. that one doesn't know is there until it's gone, but once it is, it creates...a much more engaging, involving and beguiling listening experience.

Hope that helps...
 
So where is the 64dB of noise lurking before it’s removed?
 
So where is the 64dB of noise lurking before it’s removed?

Its on the AC mains and also some part of it comes from the components themselves. AC mains are very effective antennas for EMI and RFI. And, AM and FM radio noise as well.
 
Its on the AC mains and also some part of it comes from the components themselves. AC mains are very effective antennas for EMI and RFI. And, AM and FM radio noise as well.

So the 64dB noise reduction is the amount of noise it it could remove from your wall sockets assuming you had that much noise riding on your AC.
 
So the 64dB noise reduction is the amount of noise it it could remove from your wall sockets assuming you had that much noise riding on your AC.

I'm not an expert on this, Caelin would be able to provide more specifics. I would say that the figure of ~64-68 dB is a "mathematical average" on the whole for an engineering specification of a parameter that by definition, is variable. If one put a lot of particularly dirty components on the power distribution system, it may not be that low, and possibly at other times of day, it may be lower than that.

As with almost any engineering-based design embodiment for a varying functional response, the "nominal" operating parameters may fluctuate a bit when dealing with factors that, by definition, vary.

Noise would not be "noise" if it did not vary.
 
Gotcha

Sorry, I just had to: :tutu:

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LOL. That's great...
 
A little teaser ......

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An on/off switch. Nice. I need a Denali tower with one of those for my A/V system - the switch would be used for turning the A/V system off when I want to listen to only two channel which is fed via a Triton V3 (although apparently a replacement in the pipeline :O).

Also, nice that the top two outlets have four isolated plugs. You guys are killing it lately with the new products.
 
I don't think its going to do anything for noise inherent to the equipmet. My Ampsandsound Casablanca seem to have a pretty high inherent noise floor. I have tried a couple conditioners to rid the noise. No change or worse, they amplify the conditioners noise. In conversation with a manufacturer last night, my take away was a power supply, not well designed. generates its own internal noise that can easily be heard from your speakers. In my case at the listening chair. What a power conditioner may do is keep external noise that is really going to set off your poorly designed power supply from magnifying the problem. To some extent a line isolation transformer does this with my amps. Yet I hear the transformer so I don't use it. A power conditioner is not going to climb into your equipment and rebuild the poorly designes power supply, ridding it of its inherent noise.

Before you go all crazy consider what inherent noise may be. How about poor placement of transformers alowing magnetic flux into the circuit. How about cheap components with leaky voltage. How about poor internal grounding scheme. How about tinned wire and crimp connectors not properly passng even current.

I fully agree a good power conditioner may be able to filter unwanted noise or sine wave distortions on the branch circuit feeding your rack and keep it from entering your stereo system. I don't see it fixing a less than optimum piece of equipment.
 
From the Shunyata website under technologies employed in their power distributors:

"Actually, it is quite easy to design a power conditioner that blocks noise from the power line by using transformers, ferrite beads and simple LCR filters. However, these designs, by their very nature compromise DTCD® delivery which translates to a compressed and lifeless sound quality in a high-end audio system. While traditional power conditioners block noise coming from outside the home they do not address the noise that is generated by the electronic components themselves. In fact, many conditioners reflect noise back onto other components that are connected to the same power conditioner. Shunyata’s power distribution systems are designed to address outside sources of noise and to isolate internal forms of power supply generated noise.
"Caelin Gabriel believes that CCI™ is one of the most significant and often overlooked aspects to power system performance. Shunyata Research has developed patented and proprietary technologies that reduce CCI™ noise interference without using current-robbing transformers, coils or large capacitors."
 
From the Shunyata website under technologies employed in their power distributors:

"Actually, it is quite easy to design a power conditioner that blocks noise from the power line by using transformers, ferrite beads and simple LCR filters. However, these designs, by their very nature compromise DTCD® delivery which translates to a compressed and lifeless sound quality in a high-end audio system. While traditional power conditioners block noise coming from outside the home they do not address the noise that is generated by the electronic components themselves. In fact, many conditioners reflect noise back onto other components that are connected to the same power conditioner. Shunyata’s power distribution systems are designed to address outside sources of noise and to isolate internal forms of power supply generated noise.
"Caelin Gabriel believes that CCI™ is one of the most significant and often overlooked aspects to power system performance. Shunyata Research has developed patented and proprietary technologies that reduce CCI™ noise interference without using current-robbing transformers, coils or large capacitors."

Correct. And the noise from component's internal power supplies is further reduced by using Shunyata NR power cords in conjunction with their power distributors. In this manner, the provide even more noise reduction from the component from contaminating the clean current that is within the power distributor and subsequently being distributed to other components.
 
Fully agree it will reduce reflected noise from the bad PS back into the overall power distribution system.

It wont stop compounding of noise via the signal cable. A noisy preamp will still pass noise to the amp. The amp will amplify that noise again and build its amplitude.

But the Shunyata will definitely reduce a lot of unwanted noise, not all. It may just tell you the problem is in your equipment, not in your power.
 
I have run a 6000S V2 all day in my system. As far as a hum that plagues my amps. 0 change. Denali does nothing to remedy issues with your equipment.

On rhe bright side. This is the first plug into product I like al the way around. It adds a level of air and dynamics that are welcome. I don't here the Denali at all. When I remove it, I hear the sound stage collapse some and the dynamics are a little muted. Without the Denali its a little richer and slower. Thicker sound. Maybe you want that. With it the bass is tighter and the tone is more even top to bottom. The highs are a little steonger.
But overall it just sounds more correct. Only bummer is 6 slots is not enough for me. I take 8.
 
Caelin, will be only two more outputs than the Denali 6000, or there will be changes (improvements) with respect to him.
 
The one on loan to me is 6. Very nice. Wish I had $5.5k . At that cost I'm thinking new amps will suit me better. I am far to sick of all the buzzing from my ampsandsound casablanca.
 
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