That does stink Doug. That being said, a shiny new 5S would look nice under the Christmas tree this year! 

Bob, I don't mean to throw a wrench in here but...
I've had my 4S for just over a year. I'm a firm believer that when there is a software update that it's for the better so I always update to the latest greatest. However, the last update made my wi-fi die. Something to do with the wi-fi chip overheating due to the nature of the new OS. Apparently this is only a problem with the 4S phone because of the particular chip in it so going with a 5 series phone should be okay. Of course all of this happened just a month past my warranty date so I'm screwed unless I buy a new phone. I've been a loyal Apple customer for 25 years but this has got me thinking about going with Samsung or something like that in the future just as a change of pace. YMMV of course, and probably will because my son and I got our phones at the same time and his wi-fi still works just fine.
Sorry to hear Doug...
If you a MAC / ITunes guy, the a windows phone will work seamlessly with your ITunes, and we recently put stuff out for MACS...And of course, MSFT has the cloud...for Music, documents...Called Skydrive...Its inherent in every MS product (Hotmail (now Outlook) , office, XBOX, xbox music)
BTW....read this...Its how you sync ITunes to the new WINDOWS phone you and Bob are going to BUY..LOL
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/windows-phone/id415571499?mt=12
Can a MAC sync to XBOX music ? Nope
Rob - No worries. It's all good. As a side, I just came back from the Verizon store where I played with 5 different Windows 8 phones. It was actually kind of funny how the more questions I asked about the Windows phones, the more the sales rep wanted to show me an Android or iPhone. She seemed frustrated that I had even the slightest interest in a Windows phone. She kept saying, "you can access that here, but I don't like Windows phones." I asked, "can I switch the default search engine from Bing to Google?" She says, "probably, I'm not sure. You would have to search for that. Let me show you the iPhone or a Droid phone." The more questions I asked, the more she said, "but on an iphone you can do X" or "on the Android, you can do Y".
Here is my take:
* Playing with the Nokia 928, it seemed fast. I like how the apps tile and flip.
* I like the buttons at the bottom of the phone.
* Touch screen is quite good and on par with the iPhone.
On the dislike side:
* Side by Side with an iPhone, the Windows phone screen seems harder to read webpages.
* the various tiling of apps is confusing due to the different sizes and strange icons.
* Very bad screen burn screen in (you can see ghosting of previous webpages). This was non existent with iPhones in the store and Androids in the store.
* Webpages seem slower to load on the Windows phone
* Some apps display some strange code at the top of the screen (TWC app for example)
* The Windows apps are almost non existent by comparison to iPhone or Droid. This was the one thing the sales rep kept hammering on "the Windows phone apps are a joke compared to the iPhone and Droid app selections."
* No siri on Windows (although, I could personally care less about Siri - it's more of a gimmick IMO).
* I like the Apple iCloud better than the Windows equivalent she showed me....but this could be just because the iCloud is so easy to use and I'm used to it.
Overall, the Windows phone was decent. I like some of the features and functionality, but it and the Windows Phone ecosystem in general has a long long way to mature to the level of the iPhone or the Droid IMO.
That being said, if I owned an XBox, and all Windows PC's and I was a hardcore Windows guy with programming and hacking desires, I would get a Windows phone. But if I wanted a phone that was easy to use, intuitive, with thousands and thousands of apps (many free) - which I think is one of the real benefits of a smart phone - I would buy an iphone.
That's my two cents.
Fair enough...just want to help. Thanks for going to try some out. Did you see the 1520 ? The Phablet ? LOL...NOt a big fan as I do not have pockets that big except on winter coats...:roflmao:
On the dislike side:
* Side by Side with an iPhone, the Windows phone screen seems harder to read webpages. (hmmm..not sure why)
* the various tiling of apps is confusing due to the different sizes and strange icons. That's made that way so the user can tailor the size..easier to bundle. Icons don't all have to be the same size but they can be
* Very bad screen burn screen in (you can see ghosting of previous webpages). This was non existent with iPhones in the store and Androids in the store. Never noticed that, I will check
* Webpages seem slower to load on the Windows phone - Might be the store...I know mine loads TONS faster than my Android phone did
* Some apps display some strange code at the top of the screen (TWC app for example) - Not sure at all what that is ?
* The Windows apps are almost non existent by comparison to iPhone or Droid. This was the one thing the sales rep kept hammering on "the Windows phone apps are a joke compared to the iPhone and Droid app selections." Apps growing by by the thousands
* No siri on Windows (although, I could personally care less about Siri - it's more of a gimmick IMO). Will be out soon - Check the Verge for a sneak peak - Called Cortana
* I like the Apple iCloud better than the Windows equivalent she showed me....but this could be just because the iCloud is so easy to use and I'm used to it. - We like what we are used to...lol
Hey, just in case - Here is a money saver IF you want a windows phone
Buy Nokia Lumia 521 No Contract for T-Mobile - Microsoft Store
Buy Nokia Lumia 520 for AT&T (Black) - Microsoft Store
Not the top of the line but pretty awesome ..and at $99 or $59 dollars - no contract - just buy the phone...pretty good deal
Bob, I don't mean to throw a wrench in here but...
I've had my 4S for just over a year. I'm a firm believer that when there is a software update that it's for the better so I always update to the latest greatest. However, the last update made my wi-fi die. Something to do with the wi-fi chip overheating due to the nature of the new OS. Apparently this is only a problem with the 4S phone because of the particular chip in it so going with a 5 series phone should be okay. Of course all of this happened just a month past my warranty date so I'm screwed unless I buy a new phone. I've been a loyal Apple customer for 25 years but this has got me thinking about going with Samsung or something like that in the future just as a change of pace. YMMV of course, and probably will because my son and I got our phones at the same time and his wi-fi still works just fine.
Go ahead Kev, say exactly what you have to say. That way we can get to a friendly common ground.
- Google slogans (logos): you don't like? Is there something wrong with that, is it bothering you personally?
Bob, they are tracked, observed,cookied etc, it is "the machine". Maybe I'm wrong but I highly doubt it. Incognito & "the machine" , really? No I am not fond of that, then again, it's an observation to someone on a public forum, I think we all need to remember where we are at times. Happy holidays Bob, don't wear that ph out over x'y.
More I read your original post....I think you should just go and buy a least expensive any smart phone. One more thing. Don't add a data plan that can be expensive ~!
My 2 cents.