Shindo shot of the day

fjn04 said:
Thanks JJ, Kev- I was just at CDF last week, and they had the Luxman on the floor. I'm not
ready to pull the trigger, so I didn't ask them to hook it up. Plus they didn't have either
Orangutan speaker, so I will wait till next time. Simply a Gorgeous table (-: They also
have experience with the Bardo, and hold it in very high regard. Their general impression
seems to be the Brinkman is a tad more accurate to the source.
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The Brinkman will be a little more accurate. Things being equal, meaning same cartridge on both tables this can be both good and bad.

On really good recordings the Brinkman will give you just a little more. On lesser quality recordings the Brinkman will definitely show the weakness. Sometimes to the point of making them hard to listen to.

The Luxman table is very forgiving. Not sure why but good recordings sound really great and the lesser quality recordings still are more than listenable. Good in fact.
The mat supplied with the Luxman is very, very good. Will an A23 mat be better, probably.

Overall at it's price point the Luxman is hard to beat. Will the Brinkman bring a little more to the table (so to speak) maybe. But at a cost of course.

I will be sticking with this table until I talk myself into a Shindo modified Garrard 301.
 
[Oh....Verdier too. I had a Verdier for a few years. I wish I kept that one! When I bought it, it was only $7500 new. The current mark ups are a bit high. Lovely table tho.


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What is the retail price of the Verdier in the US ?
In France at least, the ratio Quality / Price of the Verdier is much better than many other high end or so called high end TT's. Not cheap of course but still competitive. The table alone retails for 6900 euros.
I will never part with mine.
BTW, when Keith Aschenbrenner was selling Shindo products, he never sold the 301 system and kept promoting the Verdier.
It's easy to fall in deep love with that one.
Some consider it the best table ever for the SPU carts. With the right arm of course.


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Jerome W said:
[Oh....Verdier too. I had a Verdier for a few years. I wish I kept that one! When I bought it, it was only $7500 new. The current mark ups are a bit high. Lovely table tho.


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What is the retail price of the Verdier in the US ?
In France at least, the ratio Quality / Price of the Verdier is much better than many other high end or so called high end TT's. Not cheap of course but still competitive. The table alone retails for 6900 euros.
I will never part with mine.
BTW, when Keith Aschenbrenner was selling Shindo products, he never sold the 301 system and kept promoting the Verdier.
It's easy to fall in deep love with that one.
Some consider it the best table ever for the SPU carts. With the right arm of course.


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Hard to check out Verdier here. But I would love to hear it. I'm sure it is a great table.
Maybe next time I'm in France. We will be there in spring.
 
NOLG4EVR said:
What is the retail price of the Verdier in the US ?
In France at least, the ratio Quality / Price of the Verdier is much better than many other high end or so called high end TT's. Not cheap of course but still competitive. The table alone retails for 6900 euros.
I will never part with mine.
BTW, when Keith Aschenbrenner was selling Shindo products, he never sold the 301 system and kept promoting the Verdier.
It's easy to fall in deep love with that one.
Some consider it the best table ever for the SPU carts. With the right arm of course.


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Hard to check out Verdier here. But I would love to hear it. I'm sure it is a great table.
Maybe next time I'm in France. We will be there in spring.[/QUOTE]

JJ,
You are warmly invited to come to my home if you wish to listen to it.
Will meet you with great pleasure.


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Jerome W said:
[Oh....Verdier too. I had a Verdier for a few years. I wish I kept that one! When I bought it, it was only $7500 new. The current mark ups are a bit high. Lovely table tho.


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What is the retail price of the Verdier in the US ?
In France at least, the ratio Quality / Price of the Verdier is much better than many other high end or so called high end TT's. Not cheap of course but still competitive. The table alone retails for 6900 euros.
I will never part with mine.
BTW, when Keith Aschenbrenner was selling Shindo products, he never sold the 301 system and kept promoting the Verdier.
It's easy to fall in deep love with that one.
Some consider it the best table ever for the SPU carts. With the right arm of course.


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That price seems about right. It was 12000 usd when I last checked a few years ago. Still a good value compared to others. Great value, actually.


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Sorry bad typo.
I was about to write : 12 k US. Good value. But still a huge amount of money to spin a vinyl ! :D


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Jerome W said:
Hard to check out Verdier here. But I would love to hear it. I'm sure it is a great table.
Maybe next time I'm in France. We will be there in spring.
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JJ,
You are warmly invited to come to my home if you wish to listen to it.
Will meet you with great pleasure.


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I would love to hear your beautiful J.C. Verdier table. I am sure it would be a treat.

Thank you for the invitation. I will surely get in touch next time we are in Paris.
 
kev313 said:
I love Shindo system pics. Here's my shot of the day. A temporary set up while I dial in my new EMT. Please excuse the crappy iPhone quality. It's just so easy to post from the phone!
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Was there a point that goes with that post? Does the subject bore you? The gear? My crappy iPhoto skills?


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kev313 said:
Darn music getting in the way of the hifi. :)


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I never listened to 78's.
This post like others from you made me really curious about them.
What makes this superiority compared to 33's ? Were those records just better mastered or is it technology related ?


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Jerome W said:
I never listened to 78's.
This post like others from you made me really curious about them.
What makes this superiority compared to 33's ? Were those records just better mastered or is it technology related ?


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They're not superior. They're entirely different. 78s are little time machines. They cannot be evaluated as one one would look at anything hifi related as there is nothing by modern standards to discuss. There is no soundstage. There is usually surface noise. Warbles. Pops. Clicks. But there is also the excitement of finding music that in many cases cannot be listened to any other way and will be lost once the 78 is gone. There is also a weird presence to the performance that is very intimate and may well be, for me, connected to the fact that these are unique.

In short, I would never ever recommend 78's to anyone interested in high performance audio. I would recommend them to everyone who enjoys going waaaaaay back and wants to list to the earliest jazz and blues in the original format.

This is somewhat helpful:

http://www.dustandgrooves.com/joe-bussard-frederick-ma/




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Cucumber_jones said:
Is a different phono stage required for 78's?


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One can really go insane on this issue. In short, yes. Here is a nice little explanation:

Modern vinyl records use a method of pre-emphasis and de-emphasis adopted by the Record Industry Association of America (RIAA) in the 1950's, and the EQ curve used is known as the RIAA curve. However, before the RIAA curve was adopted, each record label used its own EQ curve for recording and, for these records (78rpm and early vinyl), the correct EQ curve must be used for playback.

Occasionally, I want to get all archivist on this and really dig into 78 collecting. Cheap options abound for proper 78 equalization. Expensive ones too - zanden and emt. JH used to carry a sweet and not too expensive mono phono pre - Sentec - but not sure if it is still a current product.

In truth, tho, I'm just not at a point in my life where I have that kind of disposable time. Or income! 78 collecting is $$$$ and the hard core guys are insane. Truly insane. It makes Blue Note collectors look like little sisters of the poor. I'm happy picking up what I can and enjoying them - and early mono Lps - on my Shindo system. I also have a mono system for this purpose that is truly low fuss and uses a curve that is basically an average of a few American curves. Based on a model from Sound Practices.


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kev313 said:
One can really go insane on this issue. In short, yes. Here is a nice little explanation:

Modern vinyl records use a method of pre-emphasis and de-emphasis adopted by the Record Industry Association of America (RIAA) in the 1950's, and the EQ curve used is known as the RIAA curve. However, before the RIAA curve was adopted, each record label used its own EQ curve for recording and, for these records (78rpm and early vinyl), the correct EQ curve must be used for playback.

Occasionally, I want to get all archivist on this and really dig into 78 collecting. Cheap options abound for proper 78 equalization. Expensive ones too - zanden and emt. JH used to carry a sweet and not too expensive mono phono pre - Sentec - but not sure if it is still a current product.

In truth, tho, I'm just not at a point in my life where I have that kind of disposable time. Or income! 78 collecting is $$$$ and the hard core guys are insane. Truly insane. It makes Blue Note collectors look like little sisters of the poor. I'm happy picking up what I can and enjoying them - and early mono Lps - on my Shindo system. I also have a mono system for this purpose that is truly low fuss and uses a curve that is basically an average of a few American curves. Based on a model from Sound Practices.


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Thanks for the great answer. I have never thought about the price difference between orig blue notes and old 78's but you are bang on. Old rare 78's are insanely expensive.


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