Severs and re clockers

Where are you located ? It's made her or Europe and its serviced in both locations and mostly over the internet. The man who makes the wms product is an IT person he programms
Codes in win and Linux. He is the reason I clicks as far as I did. I know sound and software but there is always a hitch in making it all work best.
As for memory player nice man and good stuff.
I had his desk top Version on one of my servers
It was a triple boot
Win 10/2012 /2016
Also a separate dual drive for his software one is OS second is slots for music playback.
 
I'm in Connecticut. Everything has changed and been upgraded. They constantly do that with the hardware and he's upgrading the software weekly, lol. They can actually install their software on many other servers too. I know it's made a big difference for many of my friends who have done it. You can see a bit of what upgrades they have, but it's a small percentage of what they now offer. The big things are lowering the 3 forms of jitter they measure. They also have defragmented memory for playback. They now have slots to play back external hard drive in the fashion. Makes a huge difference in SQ.

Mark, the designer has one of the top IQ's in the world. The problem is that he isn't good with human beings other than his wife and Sam who bought his company a few years ago. That's when the quality became outstanding. There are many great companies in digital. Reminds me of the 80s'/90's when so many hobbiests built and sold speakers. Richard Vandersteen started this way and now look at him (yes, proud owner of Quatro's, lol). Meadowlark was another fun company from San Diego and now they are being built again I believe. Empirical Audio and Steve Nugent is another great example and they all give you the best value if you like their gear. The only concerns to me are being a one or even two man show. That's a concern over time.
 
Ctsooner said:
I have owned and still own gear from Steve Nugent at Empirical Audio. Just a TOP NOTCH guy. Great digital gear. His DACS are the best value for high end DAC's to many of us. Love Steve and know him well. He stands behind his gear. I have heard many servers, but not this one yet. The only server that I've heard sound better than the Aurender N10 and W20 is the Memory Player for Laufer Technique that I purchased recently. They have the lowest jitter I've seen so far for all three types of jitter (maybe there are more timing errors that we can't measure yet, I'm not sure). Mark, the designer is from Melos, but Sam bought the company and they fixed any issues iRT breakdowns. Most of us who have one swear by it, but again, digital is a funny beast. I also bought their prototype DAC that is as good as any DAC I've heard under 30k so far and we don't evne have the StealthCaps in it yet and it will have a ton oof other changes for the better. The way they set up the clocking, means you don't need an external one when using his sever and DAC together. I like fewer connections especially IRT digital. That's just me and they do the remote upgrades constantly etc...

There are. a lot of great companies out there for digital right now. I personally won't buy anything that isn't in my country (USA) as service is so important when talking digital. That's just me. Thanks for sharing. Would love to get one in to audition vs www.thememoryplayer.net lol
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Cstooner, AL knows the MPlayer before you. I bugged Matt to check it out for years now. See for yourself at the thread. MPlayer is great and so is Domansky server too. Totally different approaches. MP has many unique techs and DMS has extreme attention to detail. Steve has a nice Dac, but I would take a GG over any SS Dac. Steve does have great tweaks!

As you say, lots of great choices in digital out there now! Pick one for your budget and enjoy!
 
Winson, this new DAC mark designed is a tubed DAC. It's already crazy good and will be so much better once they get it up to speed and put it in new boxes to isolate things. how do I PM folks?
 
Al, I PM"d you as well as others who I didn't know PM'd me over the last year, lol. Let's exchange numbers and talk no phone. With my MS, it's sooo much easier for me.
 
I am a Memory Player user since 2008.

Mark Porzilli is one of the very first to get into computer audio. He was so ahead of the times and unfortunately was misunderstood and rediculed by a lot of audiophiles. He resented this a lot, he told me back in 2014 that if he is no longer around, he want to be remembered for what he did on Memory Player, it is his baby.

Mark does not want to be anywhere near audiophiles now. I remember when we attended Newport Beach Audio Show one year and had a dinner date with Mark and Carolyn, he specifically requested to meet away from the show. Him and Sam are both topnotch fellows. I think MP does not get the recognition it deserves.

I exhcanged emails with both Mark and Sam, as recent as last week.

Mark told me back in 2009 that digital audio game will improve and evolve really fast, and I think he is right as there are lot’s of very good products now. And the use of computers is more accepted. Having said that, I think my old MP64 will still compete with a lot of the products currently available in the market. I am currently working with them on my current Roon server/multi use computer build. I will definitely employ most of the technologies they offer.
 
We each have digital audio hero's for me it's three
Steve N empiricle audio
Paul pang audio a pioneer but poor business man
Audio Phil audio optoptimizer
The above all played in my world massive improvement years before anyone. At the time CPA forums was the place to read about the new and how to use it. Mark was nice to me in emails and him not talking on the phone was fine. For me I am a very honest person in dealings with audio. Not many really want this in audio an odd bunch of being asked.
The MP concept I understand the over the internet support was very good too.
Sam L I met is also a very nice man too.
 
Can I interject back to the reclocker subject. I have a server with a J cat femto USB card that has a master clock in it. My DAC has USB input with isolated power and signal.

I'm getting conflicting information from people or I'm not understanding properly. I gather there's USB isolation and there's USB reclocking. I believe I'm being told isolation isn't going to help me as I'm already pretty isolated. I think I'm being told reclocking would help me, but I don't quite get why. Is there another clock beyond my jcat fempto master clock that is that much better? The femto card in my server has its own power supply. It's very clean.

Is there anything to chase here or am I pretty done.
Al, I still need to get that ethernet isolator. It's on my list.
 
Re clocking is not isolation unless the device has this step inside as well.
The clock inside a usb cArd is not a reclocker it's a clock thst is used the set the time pulses of the usb input. A reclocker does this but also takes the data and constructs a new data stream. One thing I have learned is the term jitter is not just one type. There are many noises involved that effect the sound most call of the noise jitter.
Dc voltage jitter is one part
Time jitter is another
In bedded jitter is another.
Imagine a data stream that is essentially packets in a row governed by clock pulses
Of the stream is not kept organized as a steady timed packet arrival this is fine jitter
Now imagine each packet has time or noise jitter in bedded in it already this is another type
Simple ones are voltage noise but even this is effected by the above.
A re clocker does a lot more than your usb cArd
Does. Steve n whom I feel is a true pioneer feels network used conversion is better then usb. His new product does not have a usb output
It's spidif , and I2S it's for a good reason.
A simple HB RP or NUC all have Benifits based on his ideas. They in fact do as I have tried many types rhat I have built and tried
The firmware or OS used on these matters as does it's lps.
A rendu has benefits of a HB but still allows some noise to remain down stream of the output it yields.
 
So well put Al. Thanks. To the other recent posters on MP, Mark and the computer audio guys. Phil has become a friend also. Just a great guy. Steve Nugent is also a good audio friends. We have a lot of fun convo's about life, woodworking and of course audio in general. I love and have owned his gear. I feel blessed to know these men. just good people who share the same passions I have.

Back to the topic, I own the Synchro Mesh reclocking device. I love it. I hook all of my digital TV, blu ray, Apple TV to it adn then hook that to my DAC for great sound. It's amazing what it will do for the TV. That alone will show how incredible an inexpensive reclocking device will do. Honestly, I have tried a few other master clocks in my system over the years and this is as good and better than most for a fraction of the cost, plus I can hook up a bunch of gear and use the sp/diff out which is a great connection.
 
Al, I get what your saying about jitter or noise or timing errors, signal degradation etc. I thought the purpose of the JCAT femto card was to address these issues. That is was a good clock dealing with timing errors. That feed with an appropriate power supply it was isolated and transmitting less noise. Is the truth the JCAT card is not so good? If I put a Ideon Audio usb reclocker into my chain, is it that much better than the JCAT. If I put the Ideon Audio into the chain, would I get better performance feeding it from the JCAT card, or would it be just the same as if I took it out the back of the MB?
 
I tell you this. Try any usb 3.0 output on your server and hear any changes. I don't use any usb cards anymore. While they mostly don't hurt they don't help either. What they do for sure is this. If you use an external usb strategy device it helps reduce noise from it. I suspect it's separation of electrical noise from the spinning drive. What I go find is a sound change of sorts with it. If your sever has lps supplies and is made well it's nit a must. It does help in more simple setups.
 
From what folks have shared with me, the big problem with USB is lost info. I guess ethernet can go back and ask for info that doesn't come through right away or something like that. USB can't. I'm sure I totally botched what I was trying to say, but there is just so much involved with digital from power to delivery of info, that it's so hard to get things right in any system regardless of cost.

I so feel that servers and DAC's, like anything else have a house sound. It's how we as users max out that product, just like amps and speakers. I have heard the same DAC in various systems and it's sounded great to crappy. I've felt that many designers like a specific connection and max out that connection, but so far sp/diff and ethernet and HDMI (I2S or whatever it's called, lol) have been my favorite when a component offers all of them. On reason I went with Sam Laufer for my DAC and server is because they are maximized to work together. Now they are taking the DAC out, as I posted earlier, to beef it up and make it sound even better. To me, that's all about power isolation and everything else that puts power, DAC and sever in different cases will do. I'm not sure which connection Mark will have me use, but since he designed it, I'm sure I won't be changing what he feels is best.

No absolutes other than the 'house sound' of products IMHO.
 
Ctsooner said:
From what folks have shared with me, the big problem with USB is lost info. I guess ethernet can go back and ask for info that doesn't come through right away or something like that. USB can't. I'm sure I totally botched what I was trying to say, but there is just so much involved with digital from power to delivery of info, that it's so hard to get things right in any system regardless of cost.

I so feel that servers and DAC's, like anything else have a house sound. It's how we as users max out that product, just like amps and speakers. I have heard the same DAC in various systems and it's sounded great to crappy. I've felt that many designers like a specific connection and max out that connection, but so far sp/diff and ethernet and HDMI (I2S or whatever it's called, lol) have been my favorite when a component offers all of them. On reason I went with Sam Laufer for my DAC and server is because they are maximized to work together. Now they are taking the DAC out, as I posted earlier, to beef it up and make it sound even better. To me, that's all about power isolation and everything else that puts power, DAC and sever in different cases will do. I'm not sure which connection Mark will have me use, but since he designed it, I'm sure I won't be changing what he feels is best.

No absolutes other than the 'house sound' of products IMHO.
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You know, the house sound optimized by one company is probably spot on. If I call any builder of a reclocker I'm gonna hear this and that sucks in my device and there's is a magic bullet to fix it. In reality, I have a server and DAC combo by 1 maker who designed it all to work together as he feels sounds best. His product has receives numerous awards and sounds pretty darn good to me. It has a "house sound" I like.

I know Al did not say it this way, but adding a reclocker might only change the sound. Not better it. I believe he said that about USB cards vs the MB USB out, but heck, every reclocker I read or talk with someone about is why they have better power isolation and a better crystal to time the frequency and packet delivery. The same song and dance JCat advertizes about their USB device.

At this time it sounds like I should just leave it alone and enjoy what the builder designed.
 
I've heard some top end systems rechecked with what are expensive clocks. The sound changed, but not as much as I had expected. It was better in each case, but there is so much involved in digital. As I have said, I like to keep it as simple as possible. I also think there is so much great sound already that if you feel the need to get a new clock, maybe you should just get a new DAC ;)....so many spend so much on tweaks etc... and could have done a full upgrade for what they paid for the tweaks, lol.... ;)
 
Thanks CT. I have been reading around computer audiophile and I think you hit the nail on the head. A lot of what it does is changes the sound. I already got damn good sound. I don't want to change it as much as see if there is some ways to possibly clean it up or achieve true Improvement such as a more natural and harmonically rich sound. I don't want to smooth it over and collapse the sound stage, or expand the tound stage and make it brittle.

I too have heard the select II with duell power base. It is an amazing piece of equipment for well over $100,000. My dac cost me $4,400. I'm going to keep swimming around this pond. I feel most comfortable in it.
 
Totally agree on the pond you are in. Lot's of great stuff. Not sure how much this new Laufer DAC will be, but right now it sounds better than the DCS Rossini I just heard (to my ears). I think they are looking around the 10k range for it. Two box DAC.
 
My next dac will most likly have a built in streamer/file storage player. That will probably force me to stick with Roon. I know that is how Mojo is designing the new models. I will use what I have for maybe 3 or 4 years, then trade it in for an upgrade.
 
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