Room friendly speakers

The Sandman said:
Personally, I'd forego all thoughts of digging into the floor or ceiling and/or construction of a new room and go back to the SF Strads with Pass Labs Class A monoblocks and an AR Reference Preamp. Seems like a long time (and a lot of equipment) ago but that was to my ears the best sound I heard there up there.
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Mike said:
You might be right Howard. That's what Bart, John and even Jeff said. Everyone loved that setup.
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This was a trick question Mike, wasn't it? ;)
 
JDLaudio said:
I listened to his Alexia's the other night, and was mighty impressed with them. They do not seem to cause near the problems as the D3's. I thought the D3's were even a bit ripe downstairs, and it is a much friendlier space than upstairs. I hear some of the magic the D3's are capable of, but the midbass/bass can be problematic from my short listening time with them. I would take the easy road and keep the Alexia's....then enjoy the awesome library you have !!
But if you insist......contact Bob Hoodas. He sets up world class studios/rooms, from what I've heard. Or, contact Nyal Mellor. He is an expert trainer for the DEQX HDP-4 (which you have....correct ??). He can train you via webinar, set your system remotely via computer, or fly-in. He charges $125.00 an hour, and said he could have me operating the DEQX unit within an hour. That is WAY CHEAPER than some of the options you mentioned in this thread. Plus you would gain an immense amount of understanding about your room/system. Maybe I can come up to speed on my DEQX in the next few weeks, and give you a hand (or a bigger mess than you have now). I'll help any way I can. But only one speaker move per day, please......those stairs are a bear !!!!

Jerry-[/QUroom.]
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Unfortunately Mike I share your pain. My room is a shocker with bass gain the biggest issue. 75 - 120hz the worst.

No matter what full range peakers I have owned, Vienna Mahler's, SF Strads and now the Wilson's have the same bass boom issues. Changing full range speakers again will not change the fundamentals of the room

Deqx has been the only thing that has made music enjoyable again long term. The speaker correction is extremely good, then you do the eq.

I had Wilson send me some resister's to lessen the output of the bass. This has made another small positive step.

If you find some room friendly speakers, I am sure you will tell us - Horns might be my next step if room fundamentals can't be fixed.
 
XV-1 said:
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Unfortunately Mike I share your pain. My room is a shocker with bass gain the biggest issue. 75 - 120hz the worst.

No matter what full range peakers I have owned, Vienna Mahler's, SF Strads and now the Wilson's have the same bass boom issues. Changing full range speakers again will not change the fundamentals of the room

Deqx has been the only thing that has made music enjoyable again long term. The speaker correction is extremely good, then you do the eq.

I had Wilson send me some resister's to lessen the output of the bass. This has made another small positive step.

If you find some room friendly speakers, I am sure you will tell us - Horns might be my next step if room fundamentals can't be fixed.
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It's good to know I'm not alone! I really don't want to change speakers. I love the Alexia's. I'm going to try the black box from Spacial. In the meantime, today I toed out the speakers to the point where the rear ports don't fire into the side wall and I'm using tube amps exclusively. Ironically, I thought toeing out the speakers so much would hurt I center imaging. Actually, it was the same, maybe even improved. Crazy hobby!

These two steps today have helped. It seems it's only songs with a big bass note at 73hz that really excites the room. Examples would be Narrow Daylight by Diana Krall and Ballad of the runaway horse by Jennifer Warnes. Songs like these really excite that room node. Otherwise, with the changes mentioned above, it's smooth sailing.


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Greg sent me this tonight. He said he heard this setup and it was superb. Note the roof.


Oh man!


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The problem is at this point the discussion is mostly subjective. One persons superb could be another persons awful. Did you try the S5s in that room?

I seem to have the opposite issue. My room seems speaker friendly, or I don't know what I am hearing. :)
 
Mike said:
Thanks Doug. Any speakers come to mind?


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ha i was just thinking about these again. i heard these with the 12.5w allniic integrated and was just blown away at how much better monitors @91db are than my full range @90db. its a big leap sonically. and im guessing i just liked these they are huge too way bigger than they look in the pics. i think the drivers 10" and the tweeter is in the middle of the driver. but boy did they sound good with the t1500!! and i thinkthe stands are already on something very much like stilpoints.
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BlueFox said:
The problem is at this point the discussion is mostly subjective. One persons superb could be another persons awful. Did you try the S5s in that room?

I seem to have the opposite issue. My room seems speaker friendly, or I don't know what I am hearing. :)
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be thankful for that. You can always add subs if not enough bass, very difficult to go the other way.
 
BlueFox said:
The problem is at this point the discussion is mostly subjective. One persons superb could be another persons awful. Did you try the S5s in that room?

I seem to have the opposite issue. My room seems speaker friendly, or I don't know what I am hearing. :)
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I wanted to, but they would have been a bear to carry upstairs. The sealed cabinet might have been perfect. That being said, I have heard Howard's (Sandman) S5's in a very similar room to mine. He didn't seem to have bass issues. But, he has his dialed in with two flanking JL Audio subs and a Pass crossover.
 
Mike said:
I have heard Howard's (Sandman) S5's in a very similar room to mine. He didn't seem to have bass issues. But, he has his dialed in with two flanking JL Audio subs and a Pass crossover.
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Actually, they weren't completely dialed in at that point (I made additional crossover and sub adjustments), nor were the S5s fully broken in (and they weren't toed in equally). And now of course there are XA160.8s replacing the XA160.5s. :)
 
Looking forward to hearing the new additions!

Charles is loving his new Pass XA100.8's on his Strads.


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Mike said:
Looking forward to hearing the new additions!
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I'm having a meet at my house the Saturday after next (May 31).

But you're always welcome to a private showing. :)

Charles is loving his new Pass XA100.8's on his Strads.
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I'm not at all surprised. I wonder if he went through the prescribed break-in procedure (leave them on for 5 straight days, then for the next 5 days on all day and off via the circuit breaker in the back overnight). There is a fair bit of break-in involved. :)
 
The Sandman said:
I'm having a meet at my house the Saturday after next (May 31).

But you're always welcome to a private showing. :)



I'm not at all surprised. I wonder if he went through the prescribed break-in procedure (leave them on for 5 straight days, then for the next 5 days on all day and off via the circuit breaker in the back overnight). There is a fair bit of break-in involved. :)
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He said it took 30 minutes and he knew they were better. He said the bass is so much more powerful, that he removed his subs.


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Mike said:
Very nice!

What about the new ML's?
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I would recommend all-electrostatic MLs, suplemented by a pair of subwoofers. This way you could put the panels where they sound best (soundatage, imaging amd the like) and the subs where they cause the least problems with room modes.
Also, the CLX are just some thirty grands (without subs) so they would not break your bank.
 
You can buy all the equipment you like.

The problem is the room.

Once you fix the room, all the aforementioned components will sound good.

You can take that to the bank.
 
GaryProtein said:
You can buy all the equipment you like.

The problem is the room.

Once you fix the room, all the aforementioned components will sound good.

You can take that to the bank.
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I know, but that's not an option at the moment. I've heard speakers work well in bad rooms.


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No, wife said "no way"....with an F bomb in the middle. My room is smack in the middle of the front of the house. It would alter the front of the house - and not in a good way.

The approved option is building a new room at the back of the house (but again, second floor). We have about 35 x 25 of possible space. That remains a long term possibility.


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Mike said:
No, wife said "no way"....with an F bomb in the middle. My room is smack in the middle of the front of the house. It would alter the front of the house - and not in a good way.

The approved option is building a new room at the back of the house (but again, second floor). We have about 35 x 25 of possible space. That remains a long term possibility.


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Did she say it with a smile or a scowl?

I was mighty nice of her to approve the larger new addition!
 
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