Reed arm

[Garth]

I am looking for a new arm or second arm Vertere is on the short list but it keeps going up in price at lest in Canada. Reed has been suggested to me anyone have any experience with a Reed. I am running a Tri Planar which I will keep and mount a second arm . The Reed in video seems unique .

 

[Myles B. Astor]

What is your price range Garth?

 

[Garth]

What is your price range Garth?

I am pretty open on that one the Vertere is still a option

 

[Myles B. Astor]

First, isn't it interesting that 35 years after the introduction of digital, arms continue to improve and improve.

If I had to make a short list of arms off the top of my head, they would include:

Vertere
Axiom
Black Beauty
VPI 3D arm
Graham Supreme
Schroder
Durand
Kuzma 4 point

Last but not least:

A used Air Tangent? Still one of the best arms that I've ever heard.

The Axiom intrigues me because of the way the Dietrich allows for the optimization of each and every cartridge that is mounted in it.

 

[Garth]

First, isn't it interesting that 35 years after the introduction of digital, arms continue to improve and improve.

If I had to make a short list of arms off the top of my head, they would include:

Vertere
Axiom
Black Beauty
VPI 3D arm
Graham Supreme
Schroder
Durand
Kuzma 4 point

Last but not least:

A used Air Tangent? Still one of the best arms that I've ever heard.



The Axiom intrigues me because of the way the Dietrich allows for the optimization of each and every cartridge that is mounted in it.

You are the second person to bring up Durand not a arm I know anything about. I know Schroder goes well with Lyra I wonder which one is Bengal Cat prove. Not that he has ever been a problem so far.

 

[Myles B. Astor]

LOL.....luckily mine only seem interested in the table when it's powered down!

Mike Lavigne has the most experience with the Durand arms while know Albert Porter at one time really liked the Kuzma.

 

[Mark Jones]

The Vertere is very cool and beautiful made, design by a very smart guy, but man big bucks.

The only thing I don't get, why is the vertical bearing further away from the cartridge than the horizontal??? if it was the other way around you would have a larger arc with less tracking error but with less vertical inertia than an arm with the equivalent arc (effective length). Unless I am wrong.

I have been playing around with the Black Beauty for a week now, A very unique AND simple design, so far I am very impressed. Been playing around with the ZYX Universe II and the MC Anna with it.

I don't quite get tonearms being made out of wood but the Schroder and Durand tonearms are absolutely gorgeous looking things.

Graham, VPI, and Kuzma are obviously no-brainer great products.

 

[Garth]

The Vertere is very cool and beautiful made, design by a very smart guy, but man big bucks.

The only thing I don't get, why is the vertical bearing further away from the cartridge than the horizontal??? if it was the other way around you would have a larger arc with less tracking error but with less vertical inertia than an arm with the equivalent arc (effective length). Unless I am wrong.

I have been playing around with the Black Beauty for a week now, A very unique AND simple design, so far I am very impressed. Been playing around with the ZYX Universe II and the MC Anna with it.

I don't quite get tonearms being made out of wood but the Schroder and Durand tonearms are absolutely gorgeous looking things.

Graham, VPI, and Kuzma are obviously no-brainer great products.

I understand your point of view the Vertere is not cheap by any standard. As to the bearing placement I am sure their is a reason maybe not a reason I would understand but a reason.

I have not seen or heard a black beauty or priced one. You say you are setting up a Anna that was on my short list before getting a Lyra Atlas.

As to wood arms it does seem odd all the ultra light exotic metals used by one group and another group is pitching the tone of different woods. I am sure both camps have merits . Bearing tolerance and machining cost you can not see it is harder to see why the price is so high. But put a cheap bearing in it dip it in chrome get a pretty girl to hold chest high and you get sales.

I do notice more people are down on Vertere for high price and no posts I have seen are down on the sound or use of the arm. Sometimes what people are not saying speaks the loudest.

 

[Mark Jones]

Yes, very true. I am sure the arm is awesome. I would love to be able to have a chat with Touraj about it one day, I would be interesting to fully understand the ins and outs of it.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

and the MC Anna with it.

i love my MC Anna.

I don't quite get tonearms being made out of wood but the Schroder and Durand tonearms are absolutely gorgeous looking things.

just to set the record straight, Durand tonearms now can be ordered with a composite tonearm, not just wood.

i have a stock Durand Telos with a wood armwand, which i could switch for the composite if i wanted to. i also have a Telos Sapphire which only comes with the composite arm wand.

there is a new Durand tonearm, the Kairos, which is standard with a composite armwand.

 

[Dpod4]

One of the best bang for the buck arms is the Schick 12". With the Miyajima zero it is da bomb

 

[Mark Jones]

The schick is a fantastic product but I believe it does not work well with many modern carts. It is designed for heavy low compliance carts like Ortofon SPU's

 

[Mark Jones]

i love my MC Anna.



just to set the record straight, Durand tonearms now can be ordered with a composite tonearm, not just wood.

i have a stock Durand Telos with a wood armwand, which i could switch for the composite if i wanted to. i also have a Telos Sapphire which only comes with the composite arm wand.

there is a new Durand tonearm, the Kairos, which is standard with a composite armwand.

Hi Mike, I love my Anna too, I wish I was an Ortofon dealer, they have a wonderful lineup.

0h and yeah, a good friend of mine bought one of your A90's, Adam.

I had a chat with Joel Durand (think that's his name) super nice guy. I have never heard one of his tonearms but they are beautiful looking masterpieces.

 

[Myles B. Astor]

i love my MC Anna.



just to set the record straight, Durand tonearms now can be ordered with a composite tonearm, not just wood.

i have a stock Durand Telos with a wood armwand, which i could switch for the composite if i wanted to. i also have a Telos Sapphire which only comes with the composite arm wand.

there is a new Durand tonearm, the Kairos, which is standard with a composite armwand.

Mike could you expand on why Durand's chose wood for his arms?

 

[Garth]

The schick is a fantastic product but I believe it does not work well with many modern carts. It is designed for heavy low compliance carts like Ortofon SPU's

I have Ortofon SPU Royal N sitting in a box I took it off to put the Atlas on

 

[mep]

i love my MC Anna.



just to set the record straight, Durand tonearms now can be ordered with a composite tonearm, not just wood.

i have a stock Durand Telos with a wood armwand, which i could switch for the composite if i wanted to. i also have a Telos Sapphire which only comes with the composite arm wand.

there is a new Durand tonearm, the Kairos, which is standard with a composite armwand.

Mike-It's great to see you here on AS too! This place beats the hell out of 1000 posts about keys jangling.

 

[mep]

Mike could you expand on why Durand's chose wood for his arms?

Never mind talk about stiff wood, aren't you supposed be on your honeymoon??

 

[Myles B. Astor]

Yes, very true. I am sure the arm is awesome. I would love to be able to have a chat with Touraj about it one day, I would be interesting to fully understand the ins and outs of it.

Corner Touraj at CES. He's more than happy to sit down and explain the ins and outs of his arm though I've forgotten most of what he talked about during our 1-1/2 hr conversation. Usually you can find Touraj hanging out in Gary Koh/Genesis' room.

 

[Myles B. Astor]

Never mind talk about stiff wood, aren't you supposed be on your honeymoon??

Yes, we're 6 hrs behind. Beach awaits.

 

[Garth]

i love my MC Anna.



just to set the record straight, Durand tonearms now can be ordered with a composite tonearm, not just wood.

i have a stock Durand Telos with a wood armwand, which i could switch for the composite if i wanted to. i also have a Telos Sapphire which only comes with the composite arm wand.

there is a new Durand tonearm, the Kairos, which is standard with a composite armwand.

As Myles has asked I would like to know more about wood verse composite and metal arms some are kevlar . I know some are only going for light weight some to be the most ridged some the best sound and many others for a combination of the last 3 . What does each metal wood composite bring to the party in general terms. Wood I would thing would be tone. Metal ridged. and composite a bit of both. Am I even close to being right in this thinking.