PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

The Denali 6000s/V2 is the real deal indeed. That’s what I have at home.
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I’ve had my fill of problematic Power Plants and have moved on to Shunyata. I presently have 4 Denali 6000s/v2’s, 2 in my main home and 2 in vacation homes. Also an Everest is on the way.
 
RLF said:
I’ve had my fill of problematic Power Plants and have moved on to Shunyata. I presently have 4 Denali 6000s/v2’s, 2 in my main home and 2 in vacation homes. Also an Everest is on the way.
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I bet I've had more problematic Power Plants than your good self. Certainly in the reliability measure I rate them as JUNK. Although other luckier punters have had better luck than me. But I say, luck shouldn't come into it. I now have a Shunyata 6000/S.
 
I have had my Power Plant for probably 8 years or so and it has been perfect. I have been looking at the Denali and found a few things interesting. The first thing is Shunyata is very protective of their technology and finding information about what they are doing is very hard to find. Also, I am a little surprised at the low count of components inside the case, lots of air in there. I am impressed they use vibration control mats on the inside of the case surfaces. This probably explains some of the repeated comments by users such as added bass weight and smoother highs. Their products work, no question about it, but their approach by addressing the electrical side as well as the mechanical side is impressive. I could go on about how vibration changes the sound of every component in a system but I will be called a fruitcake if I do. Cheers all and belated happy new year.
 
stereogeek said:
I could go on about how vibration changes the sound of every component in a system but I will be called a fruitcake if I do.
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Fruitcake or no, you'd be right about the impact of vibration on the sound of every component.

As for what's inside Shunyata power distributors, its not the "amount of stuff" that's important, it's what the components inside DO that important. And the closer one can get to ideal or optimal functionality with fewer parts, the better; this is basis for Altschuler's Theory of Ideality, a key conceptual paradigm for TRIZ.
 
stereogeek said:
..I could go on about how vibration changes the sound of every component in a system but I will be called a fruitcake if I do...
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Speaking of which. I just read in the news, in response to the current situation in Washington D.C., somebody high up in the US political system called President Trump "as nutty as a fruit cake". I wasn't aware fruit cake had nuts, I just assumed it was made of dried fruit. And I quite like fruitcake, so calling somebody a "fruitcake" would be lost on me the inference that was being made.
 
brodricj said:
Speaking of which. I just read in the news, in response to the current situation in Washington D.C., somebody high up in the US political system called President Trump "as nutty as a fruit cake". I wasn't aware fruit cake had nuts, I just assumed it was made of dried fruit. And I quite like fruitcake, so calling somebody a "fruitcake" would be lost on me the inference that was being made.
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Many fruitcakes sold in the US during holiday seasons often have a lot of nuts, usually walnuts. "Nutty as a fruitcake" is an American saying that goes way back...
 
Puma Cat said:
Fruitcake or no, you'd be right about the impact of vibration on the sound of every component.

As for what's inside Shunyata power distributors, its not the "amount of stuff" that's important, it's what the components inside DO that important. And the closer one can get to ideal or optimal functionality with fewer parts, the better; this is basis for Altschuler's Theory of Ideality, a key conceptual paradigm for TRIZ.
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I agree 100% about how it's not about the amount of stuff in there but how it works. I also agree about how keeping it simple is key. Short story time....I bought an Aragon 4004 MKII amp many years ago to drive a pair of KEF's. To me the amp was horrible, it had that upper midrange/lower treble bump that drove me nuts. I sent it to a guy who modified it to smooth it out. He did a nice job and it sounded nice so I opened it up and saw he changed a few inches of power wiring and glued different kinds of wood to the inside of the top cover. Me and my buddy were laughing when we pulled the cover, we weren't laughing when we fired it up and played music. Cheers.
 
Audiophilehi said:
Anyone?
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I wouldn't use it, if it were me. The Dectet achieves noise attenuation by the use of inductors, and my experience, these "chokes" choke the life out of music, robbing it dynamics, immediacy and lifelikeness. If you need another power distributor to have more outlets, you're better off getting another power Shunyata distributor, or something along the lines of the Venom PS8 power distributor, something that will not impact DTCD.
 
Puma Cat said:
I wouldn't use it, if it were me. The Dectet achieves noise attenuation by the use of inductors, and my experience, these "chokes" choke the life out of music, robbing it dynamics, immediacy and lifelikeness. If you need another power distributor to have more outlets, you're better off getting another power Shunyata distributor, or something along the lines of the Venom PS8 power distributor, something that will not impact DTCD.
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Thank Stephen...appreciate the response and as always the great advice.
 
I decided to break down and I ordered a Denali v2 from Mike the other day as the fan on my PS Audio Power Plant Premier is starting to make a bit of noise. I was going to pull it apart and see if a little bit of oil on the shaft would quiet it down but decided not to dig into it. Quite honestly, I am not expecting any big changes. Cheers.
 
stereogeek said:
I decided to break down and I ordered a Denali v2 from Mike the other day as the fan on my PS Audio Power Plant Premier is starting to make a bit of noise. I was going to pull it apart and see if a little bit of oil on the shaft would quiet it down but decided not to dig into it. Quite honestly, I am not expecting any big changes. Cheers.
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Interesting. They could be vey different. Keep us posted please.:popcorn:
 
stereogeek said:
I decided to break down and I ordered a Denali v2 from Mike the other day as the fan on my PS Audio Power Plant Premier is starting to make a bit of noise. I was going to pull it apart and see if a little bit of oil on the shaft would quiet it down but decided not to dig into it. Quite honestly, I am not expecting any big changes. Cheers.
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You’ll be happy you did. I went from a PS Audio PPP to a P15 and then a Denali v2. I still have the P15 but a much prefer the Denali.
 
I put the Denali in the system this afternoon and I will say without any doubt that the Denali has tighter bass and better definition than the PPP. It is also more musical with better pace and drive. It took all of 30 seconds or so to decide it was staying in the system. It's weird but I don't go back and forth and A-B different components. I just change them out and it's either more musical or it's not. So, in the last year I have changed every component in my system, including cables and the equipment rack. In every instance it has been a positive change. Going to Volti speakers has been the biggest change. Going to an Ayon preamp is the next positive change. Going to a Pass XA25 and going to an Ayon CD player are probably tied for the next dramatic change. Adding the Denali is the next improvement, it's not a huge improvement but a worthwhile one. Now I am jones'n for a 20 or 30 wpc tube amp (wtf).....cheers.
 
stereogeek said:
..I was going to pull it apart and see if a little bit of oil on the shaft would quiet it down..
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A PPP is easy to pull apart. Don't bother with the oil idea, just replace the whole fan. It's a stock standard cheap part. Once you've done that sell it and keep the Denali.
 
brodricj said:
A PPP is easy to pull apart. Don't bother with the oil idea, just replace the whole fan. It's a stock standard cheap part. Once you've done that sell it and keep the Denali.
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Thanks for the info, I'll pull it apart tonight.
 
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