KeithR
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PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?
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I’ve actually found the opposite and during the lockdown switch to the 6000s V/2 at home. I find it provided greater harmonic richness and dimensionality to the music.
YMMV
BlueFox
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Same here. I have three dedicated 20 amp circuits, one for each amp, and one for the source gear. Initially, the amps were plugged directly into the wall via a Shunyata power cord, and they sounded great. I later added a Denali 2000 for each amp, and was amazed at the improvement. Also, using the Denali I went from one power cord for each amp to using two power cords plus the Denali for each amp. Even so, there was an audible, obvious improvement.
Puma Cat
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I'm in complete alignment with MIke on this one. Everything I've tried that uses coils, inductors, or chokes for noise reduction (which includes devices like the Furman, Richard Gray, and Audioquest-type power conditioners), the music sounds compressed, "heavy", dark and lacks immediacy and dynamic slam.
I've developed my own inner phrase that "Chokes choke the life out of music". Ugh.
I haven't tried the newest PS Audio P-series, but some years ago I tried the Power Plant Premier for over a month in my home and system. I found that it had virtually no impact or influence on the sound whatsoever, and it was very large, very heavy device that was in the way in my small listening space.
By contrast, my entry-level Hydra 4 sounded notably better than the PPP.
My Hydra-8 was cosiderably better-sounding than my Hydra 4, and my Triton another significant step above the Hydra-8 and...I could plug my amp into it and not have it impact dynamics.
As for the Denali 6000/S V2...well, that is several quantum jumps up compared to ealier generation PDs. The CCI, NIC NR, and GP-NR technologies significantly reduce noise without impacting dynamic transient current delivery. And the QR/BB device just transports Denali to another galaxy compared to other PDs.
In my experience, one has to hear a PD with a QR/BB device to "get it"....trying to describe it "verbally" doesn't do it. It fundamentally changes the presentation in a way where traditional audiophile lexicon no longer applies. The language has to move away from the language used in Audiophile-La La land to a language that is evocative of experiencing the musical event itself, or describing the characteristics and attributes of fine musical instruments. Think how to describe how a Guanerius has a warmer, fuller, rounder, more sonorous tone than a Stradivarius, or a Bosendorfer has a different "body" and "power" than a Steinway Grand...and you'll kind get close.
When I listen to Pepe Romero play his acoustic classical guitar while playing Rodrigo's Concerto de Aranjuez, I can the hear the thickness of the spruce top of his guitar against the background of the full orchestra of The Academy of St Martin in the Fields.
That's what the QR/BB device does....
Puma Cat
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I'm in complete alignment with MIke on this one. Everything I've tried that uses coils, inductors, or chokes for noise reduction (which includes devices like the Furman, Richard Gray, and Audioquest-type power conditioners), the music sounds compressed, "heavy", dark and lacks immediacy and dynamic slam.
I've developed my own inner phrase that "Chokes choke the life out of music". Ugh.
I haven't tried the newest PS Audio P-series, but some years ago I tried the Power Plant Premier for over a month in my home and system. I found that it had virtually no impact or influence on the sound whatsoever, and it was very large, very heavy device that was in the way in my small listening space.
By contrast, my entry-level Hydra 4 sounded notably better than the PPP.
My Hydra-8 was cosiderably better-sounding than my Hydra 4, and my Triton another significant step above the Hydra-8 and...I could plug my amp into it and not have it impact dynamics.
As for the Denali 6000/S V2...well, that is several quantum jumps up compared to ealier generation PDs. The CCI, NIC NR, and GP-NR technologies significantly reduce noise without impacting dynamic transient current delivery. And the QR/BB device just transports Denali to another galaxy compared to other PDs.
In my experience, one has to hear a PD with a QR/BB device to "get it"....trying to describe it "verbally" doesn't do it. It fundamentally changes the presentation in a way where traditional audiophile lexicon no longer applies. The language has to move away from the language used in Audiophile-La La land to a language that is evocative of experiencing the musical event itself, or describing the characteristics and attributes of fine musical instruments. Think how to describe how a Guanerius has a warmer, fuller, rounder, more sonorous tone than a Stradivarius, or a Bosendorfer has a different "body" and "power" than a Steinway Grand...and you'll kind get close.
When I listen to Pepe Romero play his acoustic classical guitar while playing Rodrigo's Concerto de Aranjuez, I can the hear the thickness of the spruce top of his guitar against the background of the full orchestra of The Academy of St Martin in the Fields.
That's what the QR/BB device does....
Just remember one man's definition of distortion is another mans "harmonic richness". One man's "analytical " is another man's accurate and transparent.
You get the idea
Thankfully this isn't a subjective hobby lol
still-one
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And one cannot make statements about quality from reading Forums.
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I'm pretty sure I know of the person you are referring to and that person thought the P20 was the cats meow up until the point they were not longer a dealer because PS Audio went direct. So the data point you speak of I take with a gain of salt.
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I have owned a P5, P10, P12, and P20, and now a pair of Shunyata Denali 6000S v2.
I am certainly no engineering expert, but all of the above did and are doing what they are supposed to do.
I have very noisy electricity and borderline high voltage. This is why I started using these products. My goal was not performance improvement per say, but rather simply to eliminate the electrical noise. And all of the products did this. I did notice that the P12 and P20 made my system sound more enjoyable to listen to me, whereas the P5 and P10 just eliminated noise. None of them had a breakdown for me.
The P20 was a fantastic improvement for me, but I never had more than a 40% load on it.
In ultimately switched to Shunyata because I did have breakdowns with other PS Audio products, and I was concerned the same might happen with the P12 and P20. The size and weight of the Ps Audio products was also a factor in the switch.
You may have noticed that I haven’t really mentioned The Denali yet. I don’t think I can add any more superlatives to what has already been said. It works perfectly, takes up less space, and costs less. I would think this is a no brainer for most.
I do believe the PS Audio P20 is a useful product, but the Denali is a better product for me.
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I am certainly no engineering expert, but all of the above did and are doing what they are supposed to do.
I have very noisy electricity and borderline high voltage. This is why I started using these products. My goal was not performance improvement per say, but rather simply to eliminate the electrical noise. And all of the products did this. I did notice that the P12 and P20 made my system sound more enjoyable to listen to me, whereas the P5 and P10 just eliminated noise. None of them had a breakdown for me.
The P20 was a fantastic improvement for me, but I never had more than a 40% load on it.
In ultimately switched to Shunyata because I did have breakdowns with other PS Audio products, and I was concerned the same might happen with the P12 and P20. The size and weight of the Ps Audio products was also a factor in the switch.
You may have noticed that I haven’t really mentioned The Denali yet. I don’t think I can add any more superlatives to what has already been said. It works perfectly, takes up less space, and costs less. I would think this is a no brainer for most.
I do believe the PS Audio P20 is a useful product, but the Denali is a better product for me.
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With respect, no they don't. Powerplay is an advertised feature, has been promised for years, and it doesn't work for anybody. Your good-self included.
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Sorry. I guess I didn’t explain my thinking correctly. I bought a PS Audio regenerator to quiet my electrical noise. I plugged it in, and it did that. My system improved to my ears. That’s all I was interested in. So, for me at least, it worked the way I wanted it to.
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I moved from a problem free PSAudio P10 to the Denali 6000/s V2.
I had used the P10 in a variety of configurations. Entire system, front end only, amps only etc. I was using it only on my front end and during the winter (non-thunderstorm periods) had my amps plugged directly to their own 20 amp lines. This clearly sounded better.
I purchased the Denali 6000/S V2 based on reviews and first connected it just to my amps. Hmmm, big improvement over having the amps connected to the P10 or directly into the wall. I then connected my entire system to the Denali with the help of a PS Audio Dectet. Huge improvement as mentioned before in dynamics and weight. My system became more relaxed and my P10 sits on the floor doing nothing.
I had used the P10 in a variety of configurations. Entire system, front end only, amps only etc. I was using it only on my front end and during the winter (non-thunderstorm periods) had my amps plugged directly to their own 20 amp lines. This clearly sounded better.
I purchased the Denali 6000/S V2 based on reviews and first connected it just to my amps. Hmmm, big improvement over having the amps connected to the P10 or directly into the wall. I then connected my entire system to the Denali with the help of a PS Audio Dectet. Huge improvement as mentioned before in dynamics and weight. My system became more relaxed and my P10 sits on the floor doing nothing.
Phishphan
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It's a massive improvement. I upgraded from the p10 to the Denali V2
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I installed my new Denali today. Can't say I hear any difference at all. Whereas yesterday I changed from Belden BAV XLR to Iconoclast 4x4 Gen2 TPC interconnect and the improvement is easily noticeable. I put those Iconoclast very close to my Crystal Cable I/C but at a fraction of the cost.
I'm wondering if the quality of the power supplies in the electronics might have a big influence on any performance gains in using a Denali. My Halcro power amps probably don't care too much about the quality of the power going into them. Same applies for my Esoteric gear. If the pedigree of your starting point is lower might bring about the bigger gains with Denali.
I'm wondering if the quality of the power supplies in the electronics might have a big influence on any performance gains in using a Denali. My Halcro power amps probably don't care too much about the quality of the power going into them. Same applies for my Esoteric gear. If the pedigree of your starting point is lower might bring about the bigger gains with Denali.
Phishphan
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Give it a week or so. I didn’t think much of it at first either.
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I remember hearing an obvious improvement when I added a P10 to feed my Devialet 240.
Now the difference is a lot less obvious since upgrade to a 250 Pro CI and now 1000 Pro CI.
They improved significantly the power section and I understand that current peaks are delivered by internally stored current so that the impact of power delivery appears to be reduced.
In my book either you perceive a difference when you add a component or pretty much never. I have managed to convince myself a few times that it did improve after a few weeks, but subsequent tests revealed it was most probably wishful thinking. At least in my case.
Cheers,
Bernard
Now the difference is a lot less obvious since upgrade to a 250 Pro CI and now 1000 Pro CI.
They improved significantly the power section and I understand that current peaks are delivered by internally stored current so that the impact of power delivery appears to be reduced.
In my book either you perceive a difference when you add a component or pretty much never. I have managed to convince myself a few times that it did improve after a few weeks, but subsequent tests revealed it was most probably wishful thinking. At least in my case.
Cheers,
Bernard
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I been using a Shunyata Hydra 8 with very satisfactory results for at least fifteen years. My power c-j ART power amp does go directly to the wall through an Audioquest Hurricane cord. Sometime last year Michael had an almost new AQ 5000 traded in on the 7000. He doesn't seem to take trades except for current products purchased from him. He offered it to me at a good price to move it out. I took it, subject to trial at home. Honestly, in my system I was surprised to hear little improvement, and as an old retired guy, a little improvement won't do. Back it went, think he's still annoyed but it moved quickly and all is good. I now have the Denali V2 with their top power cable. I heard a immediate and significant improvement. More, richer bass, better transients, sweeter, better highs. This thing is the real deal and unlike the 5000, my old bones can move it around for installation. And the power amp is now operating through the Denali. Thanks Michael.
You’re very welcome. But I do take trades of most products. We have seven storage units full of crap, errr...I mean stuff. Some stuff I swear will never move. A four channel Ayre amp from the 90’s is one! We use it now as a stepping stool to reach the boxes higher up. It’s free to anyone who wants to drive over and pick it up. [emoji4]
What I find funny is when someone will call me and tell me “I’ve got a Luxman tuner from the 80’s, a McIntosh CD player, doesn’t work, but I’m sure you can get it fixed and some Klipsch speakers. How about I give you all that and you give me some new Pass amps?”
LOL.
The Denali 6000s/V2 is the real deal indeed. That’s what I have at home.
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