Please help me upgrade my speakers from kef r3?

I'm sorry, I meant the Ref 1 is a step up from R3 and the Ref 1 Meta is even better than the older Ref 1

bladest said:
Kef reference 3 meta or non meta is not a bookshelve its a big speaker
i am unable teo fit kef reference 3 its too big i am currently owning bookshelves kef r3 made in china not part from the reference series.
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bladest said:
I recently had some stats from speaker dealer he told me that utopia is the best nothing even comes close in terms of bookshelves...
difference between sopra and focal utopia is close to 50%.

i am still asking for dealerships to make me demo or to get demo pairs or something but no luck still..
most of the reviews are paid and not real ones, they will not tell bad things about expensive speakers in order to receive more different models for review etcs... its good for both parties..


What benefit bi wiring will give to me ?
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Please watch Audio Analyst YT video #28, bi-wiring does make a small but noticeable difference, it did in my rig.
 
FastEddy said:
Please watch Audio Analyst YT video #28, bi-wiring does make a small but noticeable difference, it did in my rig.
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But i need to buy 2nd amplifier or something ?
How much improvement you receive with this bi amplifiring ?
i am not that advanced...
i still cant decide what speaker to get..

Dealers - wants to get the most expensive but i am not sure if diablo utopia is worth 2-3 times the price...
Compared to bowers and kef reference 1 meta at least.
 
bladest said:
But i need to buy 2nd amplifier or something ?
How much improvement you receive with this bi amplifiring ?
i am not that advanced...
i still cant decide what speaker to get..

Dealers - wants to get the most expensive but i am not sure if diablo utopia is worth 2-3 times the price...
Compared to bowers and kef reference 1 meta at least.
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I am not talking about biamping, I am referring to biwiring. So just your amp. It has dual binding posts for biwiring, the B&W 805D4 has dual binding posts for this. The Focal Diablo I think has single binding posts so probably won't biwire with them. Bi-wiring means two speaker cables or one cable with 4 connectors on each end. It is a small improvement so not necessary, but something to keep in mind.
 
What's that word? diminishing returns, hifi might double in price for every 5% audible gains, Magazines offer recommended components that are considered bargains at their price, but that doesn't automatically mean we'll like them in ones own space.
 
Hi everyone just a quick update i have sold my R3 today, chinese stuff , so i am free to get my next big upgrade ,

i was thinking if someone is living close to places/ where they can offer bowers and wilkinsons 805 d4, kef reference 1 meta, focal sopra 1, focal diablo utopia evo colour, can someone go and listen to these, since its really tought , i spoke with greece dealerships today.

Even they cant offer me demo of any of these speakers so if i make trip to Greece none of these available, and simular to countries which are closer to me....
May be someone have good high end hifi shop or something where he can check and tell me his opinion after listening session?
 
What kind of music? Classical, rock and roll, folk, jazz? Loud volume?

If you are going to Greece does that increase your choices or are you sticking to B&W, Focal and KEF?
 
FastEddy said:
What kind of music? Classical, rock and roll, folk, jazz? Loud volume?

If you are going to Greece does that increase your choices or are you sticking to B&W, Focal and KEF?
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I was expecting to go to greece dealership but they are lacking demo of these speakers so i cant try or test these even if i go to greece...


music, dance,black, rnb, pop, loud volume yes.
that kinda of music.
i really wanted to go to some close country in order to try these models/speakers but they doesnt have it in stock they cant order demo units, so i cant test them, because these speakers cost a lot of money no one wants to invest in them.
 
Mr Peabody said:
Remember I told you about Thrax earlier in the thread? If you can have a listen, if those are anything like the Thrax Lyra that would be my pick.


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Again so far not a single brand offer/accepts listening demo/session or provide such option........
so i cant listen
Lyra speakers are big i have space only for bookshelves

Sirens cost same price as utopia diablo colour evo,
lyra is even more costly
25.000 euro .i dont plan to spend that money blindly i have not seen thrax in any charts/ like eisa or hifi awards of other sites...
i cant listen to them.
as far as i understand they are using cheap purifi drivers inside...
i will bet on either focal or something else... more popular.

Can someone go to store and listen focal utopia evo colour,
kef reference 1 ,focal sopra 1 and bowers 805 d4, and tell me his opinion?
 
I would bet the Sirens to sound best.

Thrax is still small, the companies you are looking at are international. Thrax has entered the U.S. just in the past few years. Their gear is very good. I would also bet if you contacted Thrax you have a good chance of working out a demo. You could even maybe visit their factory. I'm not sure why you would bring Thrax up just to blow them off.

Even if one of us heard all the speakers you are looking at that's no indication you like what I like.

You might check Thrax on YouTube, they have demonstrated at many of the audio shows. They are impressive and it's a mistake not to check them out when they are from Bulgaria. I wouldn't encourage you if I wasn't fully convinced they have a good product that would stand against those you are looking at.
 
Mr Peabody said:
I would bet the Sirens to sound best.

Thrax is still small, the companies you are looking at are international. Thrax has entered the U.S. just in the past few years. Their gear is very good. I would also bet if you contacted Thrax you have a good chance of working out a demo. You could even maybe visit their factory. I'm not sure why you would bring Thrax up just to blow them off.

Even if one of us heard all the speakers you are looking at that's no indication you like what I like.

You might check Thrax on YouTube, they have demonstrated at many of the audio shows. They are impressive and it's a mistake not to check them out when they are from Bulgaria. I wouldn't encourage you if I wasn't fully convinced they have a good product that would stand against those you are looking at.
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Usa is one of the biggest markets in the world,
So thats why they have no dealership in the country where i live...

such a shame,
company claim they are bg, but they got representative.
i have contacted thrax
called over the phone 100 times no one ever pick ups
over the email i got reply with their pricing they can ship the speakers to me i need to pay first full price no return or demo option thats all.. from them.......
i will not trust them even if they are best in the world.
i am pretty sure that focal, and kef provide 5 years of warranty not sure how much thrax can provide,
their price is rip off insanely high.
for a brand new brand , who will buy them?
i dont think they can compete with utopia evo .
i dont see any groundbreaking technologies inside their speakers.
may be in Lyra
but not in sirens.


They have no dealership here
how i can check them,
like the others the only option to hear speakers , is to buy them full price
and they will ship to me and what will happen if i dont like them no option to return them here is not USA.
i will need to sale them ? and for what?
Thats not how business is made.



If i dont able to hear any of these speakers , i will probably buy the cheapest option available or the 2nd option after the cheapest or 3rd one , not sure... its really hard...
bg is extremely small market thats why here is no dealership of focal,kef, and thrax and other brands, i mean even if they are some sellers,
they cant even bring you some products to test and try.
 
Hi all,any updates from someone i have spoke with several international dealerships they all claim different , everyone is liking different of these speakers.
 
And that's perfectly normal and expected.

If everyone of us had the same taste and the same hearing - we would all have the same systems (in certain price bracket).

And there are so many different systems...
 
Delija said:
And that's perfectly normal and expected.

If everyone of us had the same taste and the same hearing - we would all have the same systems (in certain price bracket).

And there are so many different systems...
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Sorry i have not explained properly

if one seller sales for example kef and bowers he claims bowers and kef are the best...


if one seller sales focal only he claims both focals are much better since he doesnt sale other brands/models that not objective.

thats why someone with hifi store or close dealership can listen to them and check them.
And tell us what his opinion about them is real opinion not sellers fake one.
 
I still don't understand how we can help the OP. If I am reading this right - and I apologize if I am not - he only has 2 or 3 brands available and he wants us - who have never heard his room, system, setup or know how he likes his sound to decide for him.

Honestly this is pretty simple - you say you have no ability to listen to anteing before you buy it. At that point just flip a coin and order something. There is no amount of analysis or asking complete strangers on the internet what to do that will help.

You are paralyzed by over analysis that isn't even real analysis - it's a bunch of well-meaning and trying-to-be-helpful strangers giving you advice. That's not a path to s successful outcome in this instance.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
I still don't understand how we can help the OP. If I am reading this right - and I apologize if I am not - he only has 2 or 3 brands available and he wants us - who have never heard his room, system, setup or know how he likes his sound to decide for him.

Honestly this is pretty simple - you say you have no ability to listen to anteing before you buy it. At that point just flip a coin and order something. There is no amount of analysis or asking complete strangers on the internet what to do that will help.

You are paralyzed by over analysis that isn't even real analysis - it's a bunch of well-meaning and trying-to-be-helpful strangers giving you advice. That's not a path to s successful outcome in this instance.
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Its very easy,
if you have hifi store or dealer of any of these brands and models, please come and check kef reference 1 meta,bowers and wilkinsons 805 d4, focal sopra 1 and diablo utopia , and tell me what do you think , which one do you like or dont like.
yes i dont have a option to listen to any of these, because no one can supply them here.

Sellers here can only sale these but no demo option available.
 
bladest said:
Its very easy,
if you have hifi store or dealer of any of these brands and models, please come and check kef reference 1 meta,bowers and wilkinsons 805 d4, focal sopra 1 and diablo utopia , and tell me what do you think , which one do you like or dont like.
yes i dont have a option to listen to any of these, because no one can supply them here.

Sellers here can only sale these but no demo option available.
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You shouldn't care what WE think. It's a different room than yours, different gear than yours, different set up than yours, and we have different EARS than you. What we think about how something SO DIFFERENT sounds half way across the world from you is completely and utterly useless to help you make a decision. YOU need to make your own decision.

You will never be able to make a good decision this way.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
You shouldn't care what WE think. It's a different room than yours, different gear than yours, different set up than yours, and we have different EARS than you. What we think about how something SO DIFFERENT sounds half way across the world from you is completely and utterly useless to help you make a decision. YOU need to make your own decision.

You will never be able to make a good decision this way.
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i am willing to Risk and see what do you think, thats why my topic is here .


again let me summarize it in bg salary is around 300$
people doesnt care or never buy speakers for 16.000$ like focal utopia diablo,
thats why no market no demo no show room nothing.
This forum on the other hand is full with people who spended a lot of money for different audio gear so its not that impossible some to try these speakers and report his opinion.
 
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