Physical Graffiti remastered at 96/24 is out

I think it's a disappointment; although at least as good as any other version (IMHO), it still doesn't sound nearly as good as the music deserves. And whatever happened to the bass on this album, anyway?
 
I'd like to hear from those who will buy the remastered vinyl that was released yesterday. I understand that it is digitally remastered, but previous LZ releases done this way have gotten good reviews.
 
Anthony, I have the remasters from both Classic Records and Jimmy Page. The Classic 200gm remasters are probably the best versions, but the new remasters are so close to the Classics in sound quality that I wouldn't bother looking for the Classic versions, as they are very expensive and hard to find.
 
anyone looking to purchase the Deluxe Edition download should grab it from livedownloads.com for $17.95 before they discover their pricing error!
 
MDP said:
Anthony, I have the remasters from both Classic Records and Jimmy Page. The Classic 200gm remasters are probably the best versions, but the new remasters are so close to the Classics in sound quality that I wouldn't bother looking for the Classic versions, as they are very expensive and hard to find.
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Thanks, just ordered PG. HDTracks has the vinyl for $31.xx.
 
Just played the vinyl reissue. While it's not Music Matters quality, it is of high quality. Recommended if you don't already have it on vinyl.
 
rbbert said:
I think it's a disappointment; although at least as good as any other version (IMHO), it still doesn't sound nearly as good as the music deserves. And whatever happened to the bass on this album, anyway?
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Just bought the new vinyl reissue. My SME 30/12 and AirTight Supreme deliver plenty of bass. In fact, I don't remember my original copy in the late 70's having this much bass. Perhaps it is the Jimmy Page's digital remastering. Would love to compare this version with an original.
 
PeterA said:
Just bought the new vinyl reissue. My SME 30/12 and AirTight Supreme deliver plenty of bass. In fact, I don't remember my original copy in the late 70's having this much bass. Perhaps it is the Jimmy Page's digital remastering. Would love to compare this version with an original.
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It's not there on the master used to cut your LP's, unless the LP master was EQ'ed differently (supposedly not, according to all sources, but who really knows). Yet more evidence that LP's are way less accurate than hi-res digital :(
 
rbbert said:
It's not there on the master used to cut your LP's, unless the LP master was EQ'ed differently (supposedly not, according to all sources, but who really knows). Yet more evidence that LP's are way less accurate than hi-res digital :(
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So you are saying that LPs generate bass that really isn't there? Really?? How come all of my LPs don't have the same amount of bass?
 
mep said:
So you are saying that LPs generate bass that really isn't there? Really?? How come all of my LPs don't have the same amount of bass?
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All I'm saying is that no master recording of Physical Graffiti, including this new one, has a "normal" amount of volume, or amplitude (or whatever) below 100 Hz. If your ears are deceiving you you can see this in a frequency response plot in any audio editing program. Whether the original Diament CD's (according to him flat transfers of the masters he was given), the 1994 Marino/Page remasterings or the current remasterings, it's always pretty much the same. It's also true of a couple of needle-drops of the Classic Records LP's that I've seen, but there are too many variables (in the needle drops) there to really be able to say for sure what those masters sounded like.

If you feel low bass on this record, it's being generated somewhere other than from the master; of course even something as simple as a tone control could raise the level of bass enough to be noticeable, but few if any of us have tone controls. If in fact all those involved in producing the current version of PG have not been completely forthcoming (i.e. that in fact there was a different, EQ'ed master used solely for the LP's) then that would explain things also.
 
rbbert said:
All I'm saying is that no master recording of Physical Graffiti, including this new one, has a "normal" amount of volume, or amplitude (or whatever) below 100 Hz. If your ears are deceiving you you can see this in a frequency response plot in any audio editing program. Whether the original Diament CD's (according to him flat transfers of the masters he was given), the 1994 Marino/Page remasterings or the current remasterings, it's always pretty much the same. It's also true of a couple of needle-drops of the Classic Records LP's that I've seen, but there are too many variables (in the needle drops) there to really be able to say for sure what those masters sounded like.

If you feel low bass on this record, it's being generated somewhere other than from the master; of course even something as simple as a tone control could raise the level of bass enough to be noticeable, but few if any of us have tone controls. If in fact all those involved in producing the current version of PG have not been completely forthcoming (i.e. that in fact there was a different, EQ'ed master used solely for the LP's) then that would explain things also.
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You originally asked about the lack of bass on the recording. I wrote that I hear plenty of bass. Now you are asking about "low bass". That is a different matter. My Magico Mini IIs only go down to about upper 30s in my room, so I don't hear low bass either. I don't listen to much Rock music. Mostly small scale classical and jazz, so when I play my few LZ LPs, I hear lots of bass, but hardly rock concert amounts or levels. I guess it is all relative.
 
In this case as my posts make clear "low" base refers to under 90-100 Hz, no problem for your Mini II's
 
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