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Doping, the USADA test about every sport you can think of, including bowling, dance sport etc..I would say every sport has someone taking PED
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Based strickly on USASA data for 2014 ,from the sports I checked, the athletes that were tested the most on average were................. triathletes :congrats:
Athlete Test History | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)
There are a number of factors which renders the fight to doping hard, one being new drugs being developed without any way to test, what should be on the list (AFAIK sodium bicarbonate is not on the banned list but is known in buffering lactic acid), TUE (therapeutic use exception- a fair number of pro cyclists are on bronchodilator TUE so it does raise a concern) to name a few but I can't fathom stopping the fight if not for the kids.
True story that happened a few months ago; as coach is in a kids cycling club we have a number of kids who just ride for fun but some of them want to try to live the dream. One kid we have been training for a couple of years was offered and he accepted a contract in a junior team, he's presently 16 years old. The team has an annual budget in the low 6 figures so you can see they are serious and expecting results. His year started all right but after 2 months he dropped his training a notch, kids will be kids, and finding excuses for his coach as to why he hasn't been on the ball. Anyways on one such race he was dropped while going up a hill and his excuse was that he could get enough air in his lungs so low and behold his coach of the day told him he had asthma and gave him a bronchodilator (been riding with the kid long enough to know he doesn't suffer from asthma). Don't know and don't care how the coach got it but he should be shot! Anyways the kid gets home and tells his mom the he has asthma and that is why he didn't do as well as he thought, mom went livid and didn't know how to deal with the situation. Fortunately he stopped using that pump. Since then the team kinda dropped him and he's feeling like a pile of crap, if he didn't have a good support group around him he would certainly be PED material to get his "career" going. At the end of the day is he not pro material and he never will be.
Is this story uncommon, from what I have seen in cyclist that have potential and plateau, no. Should it be left alone, hell no! Remember it's hard as hell for a kid who is used to winning (and seeing himself having a professional career) to start losing as competition becomes sharper while climbing through the ladders. Quite tempting to take the shortcut, anyways at that age they think they are invincible so they'll be fine they think.
And now let's not talk of parents trying to live their athletic dreams through their kids, think of the pressure the kid is going through.
Anyways the more they can do to curb PEDs in sports the better.
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Interesting?
CBC.ca report: "IAAF denies ignoring suspicious doping test results". Here's a
reader's response:
"This push to the utmost limit of the human body has,
sadly, a clinical side to it. Supplementation and doping are divided only by a
very thin line. It is no surprise that some countries will use any means
necessary to get their athletes on the podium. In some cases, their methods will
neither trigger a positive or negative. Anyone who has done lab work will tell
you why this falls in a grey area as far as interpreting results.
Then
there is the regulation. You can't ban an athlete for a test when there is no
official rule on the substance he/she used. The process is long, the substance
must be identified, then tested. The process for detection needs to be
established and perfected. The governing body must then agree to either ban it
or not.
This gives the opportunists that wriggle room to take advantage
of. By staying ahead of the system, they counter it completely.
My real
concern is, are the athletes master of their own bodies or are they being
coerced into taking untested treatments".
CBC.ca report: "IAAF denies ignoring suspicious doping test results". Here's a
reader's response:
"This push to the utmost limit of the human body has,
sadly, a clinical side to it. Supplementation and doping are divided only by a
very thin line. It is no surprise that some countries will use any means
necessary to get their athletes on the podium. In some cases, their methods will
neither trigger a positive or negative. Anyone who has done lab work will tell
you why this falls in a grey area as far as interpreting results.
Then
there is the regulation. You can't ban an athlete for a test when there is no
official rule on the substance he/she used. The process is long, the substance
must be identified, then tested. The process for detection needs to be
established and perfected. The governing body must then agree to either ban it
or not.
This gives the opportunists that wriggle room to take advantage
of. By staying ahead of the system, they counter it completely.
My real
concern is, are the athletes master of their own bodies or are they being
coerced into taking untested treatments".
Years ago, a lab tech once told me that 85% of the benefits of PEDs could be had by perfectly legal food supplementation.
The idea was to understand nutrition and bio-chemistry and to ingest PRECURSOR foodstuff. Certain Omega oils in the right combination and doses, mexican yams and other extracts that aid in the production of natural testosterone. Progesterone for the protection and longevity of free ENDOGENOUS androgens in the bloodstream, etc. Some of this stuff I guess would be activated by first pass thru the liver.
Endogenous means that the metabolites wont flag any test as being alien to the body and the only potential issue would be that test/profile where levels would naturally rise over time and could flag a bio-passport ratio and trigger a false positive. Nothing illegal now or ever about endogenous hormones and proper nutrional execution.
I think the problem is that most of the PED predisposed athletes are too lazy to do the research and too undisciplined to implement a proper nutrional plan? Myles, can you comment on this?
The idea was to understand nutrition and bio-chemistry and to ingest PRECURSOR foodstuff. Certain Omega oils in the right combination and doses, mexican yams and other extracts that aid in the production of natural testosterone. Progesterone for the protection and longevity of free ENDOGENOUS androgens in the bloodstream, etc. Some of this stuff I guess would be activated by first pass thru the liver.
Endogenous means that the metabolites wont flag any test as being alien to the body and the only potential issue would be that test/profile where levels would naturally rise over time and could flag a bio-passport ratio and trigger a false positive. Nothing illegal now or ever about endogenous hormones and proper nutrional execution.
I think the problem is that most of the PED predisposed athletes are too lazy to do the research and too undisciplined to implement a proper nutrional plan? Myles, can you comment on this?
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No, that stuff is old wives tales. Like Russian deer antler velvet. And a host of crap. Did you ever see Bigger, Stronger, Faster?
Take Tyler Hamilton. Best shape of his life and he is being passed like he is standing still by those doing drugs. And don't forget the drug's have multiple benefits including a few on the nervous system that is rarely talked about. For athletes, the effect of PEDs is far from just building muscle. And they help even in building muscle in many different ways.
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Don't they create a little "Shrinkage" also?
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Not necessarily.
Isn't this just the good old "cat & mouse" game? The whole doping thing is so old now. When it happened in baseball, and records that stood for decades were broken, I became very jaded about professional sports. Then, one has to wonder whether it happened in golf with T Woods. How did he go from a skinny kid to a line backer, in such a short time?
With the Olympics, you would hope things are held to a higher standard. But they aren't. How do we know that countries, Governments themselves are no behind these events?
The Governing Olympic committee, the IOC, is at a cross roads. Do they allow some "safe" forms of doping and essentially let the genie out of the bottle or do they continue this endless charade of a cat and mouse game?
If you carefully examine public opinion after a doping incident, its interesting how people rarely point fingers at the athletes or their country, but rather at the IOC for not doing a better job. They are in a lose/lose situation.
With the Olympics, you would hope things are held to a higher standard. But they aren't. How do we know that countries, Governments themselves are no behind these events?
The Governing Olympic committee, the IOC, is at a cross roads. Do they allow some "safe" forms of doping and essentially let the genie out of the bottle or do they continue this endless charade of a cat and mouse game?
If you carefully examine public opinion after a doping incident, its interesting how people rarely point fingers at the athletes or their country, but rather at the IOC for not doing a better job. They are in a lose/lose situation.
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It's proven that steroids in males cause :
- Prominent breasts
- Baldness
- Shrunken testicles
- Infertility
- Impotence
Not to mention
- Severe acne
- Increased risk of tendinitis and tendon rupture
- Liver abnormalities and tumors
- Increased low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (the "bad" cholesterol)
- Decreased high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol (the "good" cholesterol)
- High blood pressure (hypertension)
- Heart and circulatory problems
- Prostate gland enlargement
- Aggressive behaviors, rage or violence
- Psychiatric disorders, such as depression
- Drug dependence
- Infections or diseases such as HIV or hepatitis if you're injecting the drugs
- Inhibited growth and development, and risk of future health problems in teenage
And then you have the Human growth Hormones
Human growth hormone
- Joint pain
- Muscle weakness
- Fluid retention
- Carpal tunnel syndrome
- Impaired glucose regulation
- Cardiomyopathy
- High cholesterol (hyperlipidemia)
- Diabetes
- High blood pressure (hypertension)
If these people want to kill themselves with drugs go for it, but don't do on the sports field.
And Hamilton also took the performance-enhancing drug EPO and lost his medals. His quote " “We were fully delinquents, if not criminals. If there was one product that we could almost not do without, it was EPO.”
Read more at Tyler Hamilton on Postal Service drug cheats: 'We were delinquents' - VeloNews.com
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Aromatase inhibitors
hCG
Effects vary depending on PED.
Supra physiological doses.
They still have no idea what the active form of HGH actually so what are they referring to?
Just a tip of the iceberg of the naïveté.
Like the myths don't squat past parallel or let your knees go past your toes. It might be wrong but if it's repeated a million times, it becomes a fact. Not to be argumentative but have you actually seen the research papers or at best read a review. We know about all the problems with reading reviews. Not to mention much of the research is downright crap.
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Ok for some reason won't let me edit- not to mention the studies often quoted are anecdotal and that doesn't fly in today's scientific world.
Myles, I am forced to agree with you and in my former company we made r-HCG, trialled aromatase inhibs for reproductive Health and also made rec HGH. All from Rx market.
I guess in a way we could have been consisdered a perfect PED company. LoL. Only topical testosterone was missing.
I guess in a way we could have been consisdered a perfect PED company. LoL. Only topical testosterone was missing.
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The future is myostatin inhibitors.
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is there any science to support this as compared to humans who eat a healthy low-calorie and low-fat diet, along with exercising regularly, already have low myostatin level.
PS, I could not edit either, weird.
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but is there any science that supports myostatin inhibitors
You mean with reference to its efficacy as a PED or at least a MoA that could support that conjecture?
Dunno, but perhaps Miles does.
One other point, your term science is very general. It could mean experimentation or it could mean clinical trials, with or without bio-markers, in vitro activity, preclinical receptor hits or even just animal studies.
do you mean some of that or all?
Dunno, but perhaps Miles does.
One other point, your term science is very general. It could mean experimentation or it could mean clinical trials, with or without bio-markers, in vitro activity, preclinical receptor hits or even just animal studies.
do you mean some of that or all?
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