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Actually Mike we don't know all the exact facts of that; only what George told the police.
And that is the main reason why he was acquitted; the jury after deliberating for sixteen hours voted unanimously believing his story, and without any real proof. ...No proof, you must acquit. ...The prosecution had nothing! ...Just puffs of air.

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* It's a very tricky case because just think at what could happen now!
- You have a gun, you kill someone (anyone), and you can claim self-defense if you're smart enough and know just what to do!

Between the 911 calls and eye witnesses, a time line and the glaring injuries to GZ - we have enough to piece together a very plausible series of events.

There is one thing I'm curious about and it might have been mentioned and I missed it - but if GZ attacked TM as some believe - then what were the reported injuries to TM (besides being shot?). We know GZ's - broken nose, cuts to head, etc. But what about TM? Anything? I don't think there was....at least I don't recall it. If GZ started the fight - then how come no bruising or anything? No cuts? Nothing?
 
It is laughable that anyone would believe he lay in wait for Zimmerman. If someone is following you for no reason the first rule of self defense is either exit or act first. If GZ had not followed or had he stayed in his vehicle TM would not have felt threatened. GZ actions wrote a check his ass couldn't cash without pulling a gun.

George was watching him and TM ducked behind the houses. GZ lost site of him. It's all on his 911 call - he's reporting it while its happening.

I will agree that GZ got in over his head and should have stayed in the car....but he was part of neighborhood watch and be was following and watching TM when he got jumped (I believe). He was following and watching him because of the history of crime in the neighborhood.
 
Between the 911 calls and eye witnesses, a time line and the glaring injuries to GZ - we have enough to piece together a very plausible series of events.

According to many experts, and lawyers, there are many inconsistencies, holes, mistakes made by the police and forensic experts at the crime scene, lies (from George Zimmerman), and that video (animated cartoon) should not have been made admissible to the jury to view, ever!

There is one thing I'm curious about and it might have been mentioned and I missed it - but if GZ attacked TM as some believe - then what were the reported injuries to TM (besides being shot?). We know GZ's - broken nose, cuts to head, etc. But what about TM? Anything? I don't think there was....at least I don't recall it. If GZ started the fight - then how come no bruising or anything? No cuts? Nothing?

George Zimmerman's main error was to get out of his vehicule, follow Trayvor Martin, confront him, and the rest is history. ...The kid is dead now.
And George's power was carrying a gun. ...If he hasn't, he wouldn't have the guts to confront Trayvon Martin!
Yeah, he had the right to carry it (and they give it back to him now!), and that gave him the superior edge ultimately.

I think that George didn't think of all of that. ...And in my personal book that is negligence.
And I don't care if George wanted to protect his community! There is helping, and then there is helping. ...His overzealous drive in wanting to over-help got the better of him at the end. ...And that gun, that gun gave him all of that and more ....
And now he's in the "public jail" for life! So in that way justice was served, but not inside the court; outside, in real life, not at the 'zoo'. ...Just a way of speech, because the zoo of life is as much outside in real life than it is inside the court houses.
 
What was TM defending himself from? Nothing. He was the aggressor. The initiator was TM, not GZ. He hid and then jumped GZ and GZ defended himself. This is the evidence we have. Could things have happened differently? Sure - but the jury had to deal with facts. Even they asked "why didn't TM just say 'I'm on my way home'"? Then nothing would have happened. To suggest that GZ jumped/attacked TM is not only to ignore the facts, but to suggest an improbability.

I watched a whole bunch of the Police Interrogation at the Station as well as when they walked GZ thru the location of the incident. He first followed the kid in his car. He then followed the kid on foot. He had plenty of opportunity to identify himself as Neighborhood Watch Captain and why he was following TM. But he chose not to. So he was basically stalking the kid. As per the police telling him not to follow, the words were "We don't need you to do that" which as a Watch Person, who already called the cops should have known better. Now, I also watched the original video that got removed from this thread where we were given a pretty good history of both guys. So maybe that particular night, TM was not being a thug or doing anything wrong, but in general, he was a thug in my opinion. Did he deserve to die that night? No, I don't think so but he also handled the situation wrong. Was GZ taking a beating, yes and a deserved one for all his mistakes. I highly doubt that TM was in the process of killing him right there in front of people watching out the window and family a few houses away. I may have reacted similar if I was being stalked and followed by someone who should have identified himself when TM walked past his car and gestured to him. GZ should have taken his beating and then filed a complaint the proper way.

Much of what he says in the police interviews does not seem quite right. How he was savy enough to pull his gun from behind his back and worry about shooting his own hand, then shoot the kid in the heart while TM was on top of him, but none of TM's blood got on him. He then says he rolled TM off of him, which in anyones view, would have placed TM on his back. But GZ says he rolled him on to his stomach and spread his arms out wide. That does not jive with things the way they were found. GZ also used the excuse that he has a really bad memory when asked about inconsistencies or details. But his memory as to how to handle a loaded gun, with no safety, and not secured in the holster was spot on.

So in the end, they never used the Stand Your Ground law. But that is the basis of the "Conversation" the country is having. The conversation is not about over zealous, wanabe cops who are frustrated because "they always get away". We have the Black Panthers with a bounty on GZ. Is that the way it should be dealt with?

Now on the flip side, the same types of situations have happened in the near past where a black man kills a young white boy and he walks. In Philly last year, a 7 foot black trooper hauls off and sucker punches a skinny little woman because he "thought" she threw something on him. It was all caught on tape but the judge decided that that was NOT enough evidence so he walked and got his job back with no repercussions. Had it been a white cop slugging a black woman, we would have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson all over TV, just like the Twana Brawley case of a few years ago.

The real injustice is how the media used this case to distract from real and bigger issues the US has both here and abroad. The media is what keeps the racial lines divided and fuels the problems we have.
 
Spot on Brian. The media isn't about fostering cooperating and understanding, they are about selling news and they know, the medium is the message. But I believe, we are all starting to see through media biases and make our own decisions. The media used to be a trusted. Not anymore.
 
Mike, I agree...sort of. But judging by how many people had nothing better to do besides watch this whole trial all while the US is covering up issues and deflecting it's problems says something different. It also says to me that BB is in huge favor of how the media does this so they are not in the spotlight. The media made this case into race and profiling, but so did GZ if you get right down to it.

It is sad that this one case distracted so many people from bigger far more devastating issues like people chaining others up in their basements for years to collect their SS checks, people beating their babies to death and so on.
 
George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue

July 22, 2013
by MATT GUTMAN and ALEXIS SHAW Matt Gutman More from Matt »
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via Good Morning AmericaJoe Burbank/Getty Images

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.

Sanford Police Department Capt. Jim McAuliffe told ABC News that Zimmerman "pulled an individual from a truck that had rolled over" at the intersection of a Florida highway last week. Florida Highway Patrol is now handling the case, McAuliffe said.
The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route 417, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where he shot Martin.
 
One thing, A young man was walking home, he had done nothing wrong, no crimes. Now he is dead.

The ONLY thing we all know to be the truth, if GZ doesn't follow him for whatever reason he had in his mind, NOBODY DIES !!!
 
One thing, A young man was walking home, he had done nothing wrong, no crimes. Now he is dead.

The ONLY thing we all know to be the truth, if GZ doesn't follow him for whatever reason he had in his mind, NOBODY DIES !!!

That is probably why if the Martin's pursue it, they should win a civil suit of wrongful death. The sad possibility is if they do bring the suit, and they somehow lose, they will have to pay the idiot who killed their son.
 
Back to the point I made earlier: don't start fights... you never know if the guy you start a fight with is carrying a gun, is a martial arts expert, or an angry dude who also happens to be an Ultimate Fighting champion. Any one of those can kill you quick, and not necessary on purpose. But you could still end up dead or drooling in a hospital bed the rest of your days.

At the same time, I do respect the idea that for a young black man, or anyone, being followed would create a state of anxiety and possibly panic. Personally, I'd try to get the hell away from someone following me (even though I do carry).
 
I watched a whole bunch of the Police Interrogation at the Station as well as when they walked GZ thru the location of the incident. He first followed the kid in his car. He then followed the kid on foot. He had plenty of opportunity to identify himself as Neighborhood Watch Captain and why he was following TM. But he chose not to. So he was basically stalking the kid. As per the police telling him not to follow, the words were "We don't need you to do that" which as a Watch Person, who already called the cops should have known better. Now, I also watched the original video that got removed from this thread where we were given a pretty good history of both guys. So maybe that particular night, TM was not being a thug or doing anything wrong, but in general, he was a thug in my opinion. Did he deserve to die that night? No, I don't think so but he also handled the situation wrong. Was GZ taking a beating, yes and a deserved one for all his mistakes. I highly doubt that TM was in the process of killing him right there in front of people watching out the window and family a few houses away. I may have reacted similar if I was being stalked and followed by someone who should have identified himself when TM walked past his car and gestured to him. GZ should have taken his beating and then filed a complaint the proper way.

Much of what he says in the police interviews does not seem quite right. How he was savy enough to pull his gun from behind his back and worry about shooting his own hand, then shoot the kid in the heart while TM was on top of him, but none of TM's blood got on him. He then says he rolled TM off of him, which in anyones view, would have placed TM on his back. But GZ says he rolled him on to his stomach and spread his arms out wide. That does not jive with things the way they were found. GZ also used the excuse that he has a really bad memory when asked about inconsistencies or details. But his memory as to how to handle a loaded gun, with no safety, and not secured in the holster was spot on.

So in the end, they never used the Stand Your Ground law. But that is the basis of the "Conversation" the country is having. The conversation is not about over zealous, wanabe cops who are frustrated because "they always get away". We have the Black Panthers with a bounty on GZ. Is that the way it should be dealt with?

Now on the flip side, the same types of situations have happened in the near past where a black man kills a young white boy and he walks. In Philly last year, a 7 foot black trooper hauls off and sucker punches a skinny little woman because he "thought" she threw something on him. It was all caught on tape but the judge decided that that was NOT enough evidence so he walked and got his job back with no repercussions. Had it been a white cop slugging a black woman, we would have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson all over TV, just like the Twana Brawley case of a few years ago.

The real injustice is how the media used this case to distract from real and bigger issues the US has both here and abroad. The media is what keeps the racial lines divided and fuels the problems we have.

Wow, what a great post Brian!

Perhaps it is all these big shots rich TV hosts (talk shows) from the big medias who should be on trial here!
...The producers, the advertisers, the news media with the entire staff (team) behind them.
And they blame their own public for accepting to view their crap! ...All what they do is to preach violence and racism in America! ...All while hiding under the news 'information' cover!
They show us the richest people with their sickening habits, and they show us the poorest (and to the poorest souls) so that the richest can feel even more richer!

The news medias love to blame their own public for getting them richer! And they'll throw all the dirty crap into our throats to get what they want: high ratings and money!

What a truly sick world this is!

P.S. I'm speaking in vast general here; some of them are doing a better job than most.
...But from that good minority life is tough; they can't compete, and if they can't compete they have to go!
So, what do we have left?

As an aside, I like Rachel Maddow (MSNBC), the gay talk show host.

CNN too has a gay talk show host, a guy, I forgot his name; with white air, a young guy. ...He's objective, I think.
 
George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue

July 22, 2013
by MATT GUTMAN and ALEXIS SHAW Matt Gutman More from Matt »
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Alexis Shaw More from Alexis »
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via Good Morning AmericaJoe Burbank/Getty Images

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.

Sanford Police Department Capt. Jim McAuliffe told ABC News that Zimmerman "pulled an individual from a truck that had rolled over" at the intersection of a Florida highway last week. Florida Highway Patrol is now handling the case, McAuliffe said.
The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route 417, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where he shot Martin.

Wow!
 
That is probably why if the Martin's pursue it, they should win a civil suit of wrongful death.
The sad possibility is if they do bring the suit, and they somehow lose, they will have to pay the idiot who killed their son.

1. They won't win it. ...No good evidence to support it, just to the contrary.
2. George Zimmerman has a much greater chance to file a suit against the prosecution! ...And get compensation.
 
1. They won't win it. ...No good evidence to support it, just to the contrary.
2. George Zimmerman has a much greater chance to file a suit against the prosecution! ...And get compensation.

It is "almost" impossible to win a case like that in the US. Criminal prosecuting attorneys and judges are protected from tort liability for malicious prosecution by doctrines of prosecutorial immunity and judicial immunity. Note that includes "malicious".
 
It is "almost" impossible to win a case like that in the US. Criminal prosecuting attorneys and judges are protected from tort liability for malicious prosecution by doctrines of prosecutorial immunity and judicial immunity. Note that includes "malicious".

Jim, it is George Zimmerman's main lawyer himself who mentioned that prospect! ...Not me; I just reported the fact.

* He was saying that for the last sixteen months, and for the rest of his life, George Zimmerman will always fear for his life.
And that the prosecution team committed some major mistakes in that case; first by bringing that case to court!
...And much more, including undisclosed and important evidence to the lawyer's team .... And from all of which they are responsible, accountable, ... for their "malicious" series of actions!

Me I don't know zip about what can be done or not (THE LAW in the BOOK! ...In AMERICA!); I just checked a video of his main lawyer (the one with hair on his head) mentioning those facts.
-> Just click on Good Morning America from the quote on post #53 just above.
And then click on that Zimmerman Rescues ..., headline news at the right, to watch a short video with George's two lawyers.

It was also mentioned at various other news medias. ...Different interviews.
 
What do George Zimmerman and Roderick Scott have in common?

"Mr. Obama very recently stated that had Trayvon Martin been white, the outcome might have been different. We have that scenario and we note that the outcome was NOT different. In fact, comparing the two situations, it appears that Zimmerman was much more careful than Scott."

Linky here.

No, this isn't intended to be a political post. It points out how race is used by the media and power brokers to divide, rather than bring people together. Why? That division makes money for a lot of people. The more readers, the more the media can charge for advertising, race-baiters who get paid to foster hate make money by giving more speeches, and politicians like it because it keeps peoples minds off of more important situations.

Evrybody wins. Well, almost everybody.
 
Well, let me disagree here. :)

What's good all over the news cannot be worst here.

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And that I respect. ...And I can also understand. ...And I do appreciate your sense of democracy.
 
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