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now after over 40 years of either delta sigma or fpga, we have a straight d/a chip.

this one here

NADAC D - Master Fidelity

Years Of Experience The MF NADAC-D builds on years of experience of product development and employs components and technologies that overcome known limitations encountered by many popular products. Pushing The Limits NADAC-D has been designed by pushing the limits of every single aspects of the...
www.master-fidelity.com www.master-fidelity.com

i have it for demo at home includimg the clock.
The short answer is, tears have flown out of my eyes, yesterday and today again.

another short answer is that digital now finally is FAR supirior over vinil, just about in the way it is suposed to be. Yes, that dramatic.
New Level of playback and nothing to be afraid about, it sounds utterly beautiful as a whole.
 
Sounds interesting. The site didn't give much tech info unless I missed it. Doesn't seem to have representation in the U.S. yet. Where is retail pricing?

I was curious how this 1 bit differed from what Phillips and Technics used to call 1 bit.
 
Mr Peabody said:
Sounds interesting. The site didn't give much tech info unless I missed it. Doesn't seem to have representation in the U.S. yet. Where is retail pricing?

I was curious how this 1 bit differed from what Phillips and Technics used to call 1 bit.
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The website suggests that Bill Parrish at GTT Audio is the US source for Master Fidelity products.
 
u-sound said:
another short answer is that digital now finally is FAR supirior over vinil, just about in the way it is suposed to be. Yes, that dramatic.
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Admittedly, that is one hell of a claim. Time will tell whether this is true or not.

Tom
 
Mr Peabody said:


I was curious how this 1 bit differed from what Phillips and Technics used to call 1 bit.
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from what i understand the time wasnt ready for multiple reasons then.
And you got to go through a number of prototypes and each cycle cost millions.
The results thouse times were so far off that they stopped after first try.
 
treitz3 said:
Admittedly, that is one hell of a claim. Time will tell whether this is true or not.

Tom
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yes, i do know what you mean and also what i have written:)
If you do think about what the main problem of digital playback is, where the digital artefacts are created, well,
it is either the delta sigma process or @fpga the never ending bit unprecision.

and now, that topic has gone!! the bottleneck is wide open:)

it doesnt sound just better, it does play on the point for the first time, the only source on the planet that can fly.
My own dac is a Nagra hd X. It is a good dac, however, again, the Nadac is not just better, it is something completely else.

Some time ago i sold my heisenberg monos and also the nagra hd pre and downgraded to a humboldt integrated.
Very very, VERY frustrating experience.

the nadac does noet only sound better than the nagra, no, not only.
The Nadac with the humboldt sounds better than:
the nagra hd x with nagra hd pre and heisenberg.

honestly! a lot better, while it seems absolutely impossible.

I hope anybody will have the chance to explore, as it does change everything...in a perfect way.
 
Dizzie said:
Audio Vision in San Francisco advertises $27,500. And states one is available to demo.
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unfortunately you should add the clock for another 30K.
I cant say how it sound without clock. No intetion to touch anything and try without
 
Now, forgive me if I am incorrect here (and I very well may be)....but DS chip, even when using an fpga circuit, still has to be filtered. So, I am a little bit confused here.

Please let me know if you have ever heard an R2R DAC versus a DS DAC. If that is the case, then I understand where you are coming from, but I still can't fathom it besting vinyl. (Even with it's own deficiencies and limitations).

I have had DS DAC's before, some pretty good ones too, but compared to a well implemented R2R? Night and day difference to me...and no filtering.

Tom
 
Has Master Fidelity previously been a serious contender for DACs? I did a deep dive into DACs 12-18 months ago and MF did not come up on my radar. In fact, I do not remember knowing the company existed.
 
treitz3 said:
Now, forgive me if I am incorrect here (and I very well may be)....but DS chip, even when using an fpga circuit, still has to be filtered. So, I am a little bit confused here.
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Master fidelity has created a chip with its own asic. The circuit becomes the apllication.
treitz3 said:
Please let me know if you have ever heard an R2R DAC versus a DS DAC. If that is the case, then I understand where you are coming from, but I still can't fathom it besting vinyl. (Even with it's own deficiencies and limitations).
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yes, i have. Had the select2 with DD on demo prior to this demo since the dealer sells demounits at a third of the price.
beating vinyl, well, i cant decide for you. And, since you deserve a serious answer: i do not have a tt to compare. I apologize! I assume you are a true vinyl lover, so it would be very interesting what you would feel with this new dac. I do really think, that it would ecactely convince listeners that didnt enjoy digital no mather what.
as you say: time will tell:)

treitz3 said:
I have had DS DAC's before, some pretty good ones too, but compared to a well implemented R2R? Night and day difference to me...and no filtering.

Tom
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agreed
that said, they are multibit and before modulation out of these an average 1-bit has to be calculated.
This is why the developers of these are still and always talking about getting closer to the true bit.
And then add more and more dac moduls in theyr dacs...., for the simple reason to get more data to get an even closer average bit

however the Nadac is not an "average bit" converter. The chip is supirior by nature. True 1 bit!, the goal itself:)
It certainly is the component that has impressed me most in 30 years gear swapping
 
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Dizzie said:
Has Master Fidelity previously been a serious contender for DACs? I did a deep dive into DACs 12-18 months ago and MF did not come up on my radar. In fact, I do not remember knowing the company existed.
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they are new.
While the developers are the who is who, created standards like hapi, dxd and others, legendary nagra recorders etc.
And some longterm chief developers of chinese telecom.

They do know what they do and i am convinced it is the raising star, more products and standards to come
 
u-sound said:
they are new.
While the developers are the who is who, created standards like hapi, dxd and others, legendary nagra recorders etc.
And some longterm chief developers of chinese telecom.

They do know what they do and i am convinced it is the raising star, more products and standards to come
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Thank you for the information.
 
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