New Wilson Benesch Resolution Speakers

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Specifications

Sensitivity: 90dB
Impedance: 6 Ohms Nom. / 3 Ohms. Min
Frequency Response: 30Hz – 30kHz
Dimensions: 159cm (60”) H x 52cm (20.5”) W x 54.7cm (21.5”) D
Weight: 90kg / 198.4 lbs

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2017/04/new-wilson-benesch-resolution-speakers.html
 
They look beautiful. I had the Chimeras (former top of the range model) and they sounded wonderful.

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That design is very out there. As usual, Wilson Benesch's fit and finish is excellent. I just don't get how a full size, full range loudspeaker weighing almost as much as the S5 Mk2's with that many bass drivers can't reach down to the 20Hz region? :huh:. I was getting better frequency response from my 20+ year old $3600 Infinity Renaissance 90's! They were no slouches for speed either. The High Energy Emit and Emim drivers were super fast and had wide, even dispersion and excellent off-axis response. But that's another story.
 
We don't know if their specs are a real 30hz and not 6db down like most.

But if it's 30hz, 6db down, I agree.


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The bass drivers are just not big enough. Sure, you can make even a 6.5" driver reach very low, but then the sensitivity will suffer greatly and max power will be significantly reduced (not enough x-max).

One thing they do better than the S5 is how they (physicly) disappear in the listening room, as they are very narrow.

I have listed this pair on AudiogoN for a friend, and believe it or not - they sold within 4h and I had two more people ready to buy (they sold for $12k + shipping).
 
We don't know if their specs are a real 30hz and not 6db down like most.

But if it's 30hz, 6db down, I agree.


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That's true. It also depends whether they're using lab test results or in-room response. JA measured the S5 Mk2's -6db frequency at just under 30Hz, whilst MC measured the -6db at 24Hz (digging down to 22Hz @-6db with room reinforcement).
 
Wondering where these will fit in WB's lineup. Replacing the ACT?
I had a previous iteration (ACT 1) for about 6 yrs. WB make superb stuff. Agree with others that their fit, finish, design is top quality. They are just not very popular in the NAmerica market. For years they had very little representation or promotion. Nice to see that changing gradually more recently.
Their Torus Infrasonic Generator (high tech sub) is an amazing piece as well.


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The bass drivers are just not big enough. Sure, you can make even a 6.5" driver reach very low, but then the sensitivity will suffer greatly and max power will be significantly reduced (not enough x-max).

One thing they do better than the S5 is how they (physicly) disappear in the listening room, as they are very narrow.

I have listed this pair on AudiogoN for a friend, and believe it or not - they sold within 4h and I had two more people ready to buy (they sold for $12k + shipping).
Ah yes, pure physics!...MC equated the S5 Mk2's twin 10" bass units to a 370mm (14.5") bass driver. And they have massive magnets, long-throw voice coils etc. As I understand it, with WB's isobaric driver configuration the two drivers are wired out of phase with each other, and the iso-group has the same resonance frequency, Qts, distortion, excursion etc as one driver with the same applied signal. Whilst all other aspects are unchanged like resonant frequency and maximum SPL.

I agree the WB speakers in many ways might be easier to live with for many being physically less imposing, having an attractive carbon/wood veneer finish (WAF), higher sensitivity & being a more 'forgiving' speaker. The Magico S5 Mk2s by comparison are more physically imposing, need more power/current & require careful attention to detail with upstream gear and room setup.

I get why popular WB models rarely show up on A'gon. That doesn't make Magico speakers any less worthy of course. I just think they're seen more as luxury items that get flipped like Rolex watches.
 
They look amazing!

Based on the press release, they will sit between the Cardinal and Endeavour. Great niche, depending on pricing.

Unless there is a port below the speaker, they appear to have sealed bass like the Cardinal. They have moved the binding posts to the rear of the speaker instead of underneath.

The minimum impedance has dropped to 3 Ohms (instead of 4 Ohms for the Cardinal and Endeavour). Might make them harder to drive?

Looking forward to hearing them.
 
Couple of details, this speaker slots in just under the Cardinal in their lineup. In fact think of it as a mini Cardinal. I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to bass specs. From my experience with the Cardinal, bass response will be strength not weakness for most listeners. WB also makes the Torus for those that want that last half of octave of bass.

On a personal note, I couldn't be happier with my Cardinals. Anyone with questions about WB speakers can feel free to PM me.
 
That design is very out there. As usual, Wilson Benesch's fit and finish is excellent. I just don't get how a full size, full range loudspeaker weighing almost as much as the S5 Mk2's with that many bass drivers can't reach down to the 20Hz region? :huh:. I was getting better frequency response from my 20+ year old $3600 Infinity Renaissance 90's! They were no slouches for speed either. The High Energy Emit and Emim drivers were super fast and had wide, even dispersion and excellent off-axis response. But that's another story.

doubt you were reaching down to 20hz with any of the speakers listed , takes plenty volume (size ) to do so ...
 
Couple of details, this speaker slots in just under the Cardinal in their lineup. In fact think of it as a mini Cardinal. I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to bass specs. From my experience with the Cardinal, bass response will be strength not weakness for most listeners. WB also makes the Torus for those that want that last half of octave of bass.

On a personal note, I couldn't be happier with my Cardinals. Anyone with questions about WB speakers can feel free to PM me.
Horses for courses. Not everyone will be able to accommodate a sub...for example those whose listening room also doubles as their living/dining room like me. But I agree WB's isobaric bass configuration is very punchy and dynamic...great way to get maximum output with less cabinet volume. This new model should do well for WB at it's price point (€35k, or approx $38kUS based on the current exchange rate + shipping, import taxes etc).
 
This isobaric design does help to decrease cabinet volume ( typically 50%) and while you do get good results , it's done at the cost of efficiency. WB is using an out of phase isobar , in practice I myself do prefer an in phase isobar, ( magnet to cone, instead of cone to cone ) IMO, in phase Isobars tends to give a better hand off thru the xover region.

Glad to see solid fundamentals still at work .....



Regards ..
 
This isobaric design does help to decrease cabinet volume ( typically 50%) and while you do get good results , it's done at the cost of efficiency. WB is using an out of phase isobar , in practice I myself do prefer an in phase isobar, ( magnet to cone, instead of cone to cone ) IMO, in phase Isobars tends to give a better hand off thru the xover region.

Glad to see solid fundamentals still at work .....

Regards ..
Fascinating stuff. It's good to get an AE's perspective on different design configurations to provide some perspective. Magico's design for the S5 Mk2 could be seen as the 'brute force' approach, with superb driver design & utilizing similarly advanced CAD/Finite Element analysis modeling tools. WB's approach is about more from less & design innovation. The common factor both marques share is superb engineering.
 
This new model should do well for WB at it's price point (€35k, or approx $38kUS based on the current exchange rate + shipping, import taxes etc).

Is this price confirmed? If so, it is a remarkable price and not much more than the Endeavour.

This isobaric design does help to decrease cabinet volume ( typically 50%) and while you do get good results , it's done at the cost of efficiency. WB is using an out of phase isobar , in practice I myself do prefer an in phase isobar, ( magnet to cone, instead of cone to cone ) IMO, in phase Isobars tends to give a better hand off thru the xover region.

WB claim, in their white papers, that the use of the isobaric design halves the cabinet volume required for a given bass output.

I guess the in phase isobaric looks better too, rather than staring at the basket. However, it probably was not employed here for cost reasons. For example, in the Cardinal, the sub-baffle (for mounting the isobaric woofers) alone weighs 35 lbs sans drivers. Quite a bit of material and machining costs.

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Is this price confirmed? If so, it is a remarkable price and not much more than the Endeavour.
Not confirmed yet. That price was posted in Wizard's blog. Also note that is the European price. The US price will likely be quite a bit higher once shipping, import taxes/duties & the exchange rate are factored in.
 
Fascinating stuff. It's good to get an AE's perspective on different design configurations to provide some perspective. Magico's design for the S5 Mk2 could be seen as the 'brute force' approach, with superb driver design & utilizing similarly advanced CAD/Finite Element analysis modeling tools. WB's approach is about more from less & design innovation. The common factor both marques share is superb engineering.


Agree , both Magico and WB are fundamentally solid engineered products....
 
Not confirmed yet. That price was posted in Wizard's blog. Also note that is the European price. The US price will likely be quite a bit higher once shipping, import taxes/duties & the exchange rate are factored in.

Just had a look at Wizard's blog. The price may have been adjusted.

Its £35000 now, so £10,000 more than the Endeavour (£25,000) but £20,000 less than the Cardinal (£55,000). Good sweet spot for a "mini-Cardinal".
 
Not confirmed yet. That price was posted in Wizard's blog. Also note that is the European price. The US price will likely be quite a bit higher once shipping, import taxes/duties & the exchange rate are factored in.
You also have to add in a reasonable margin for the distributor, who has to invest substantially in the product line to adequately support it.
 
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