New Magico speakers arriving 04/2015!

Mark and Cyril, your reactions and feelings regarding the offending posts are understandable. Revel certainly are not "mid-fi" as demonstrated in Doug Schroeder's review of the S5. It's interesting how a discussion on how leading technologies from commercial competitors influenced Magico's recent product offerings turned into a dust up, but it's all good now. As Cyril said, there are more important things in the world!...
 
FlexibleAudio said:
At this level we all know it is a subjective analysis, but I will say that there is no question to me that what I heard in the Magico rooms was very different than the others and simply not to my liking.
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Funny you mention that, as I also have never heard a Magico show demo I would like. I would have never bought the speakers if I hadn't heard them in my room. I think Myles will concur.

It must have sth to do with the electronics they always display with.
 
Expectation Bias...?

IMO There is no excuse for any good speaker to sound "bad" at a show, it tells me a lot when they consistently do, taking it home and "tweaking it " until you are there is not representative of a good speaker, especially one at a 100K + and while Shows never represent perfect sound, as to noise, multiple seating, reflections, et al, you still have to ask, what if..? What would the others , the ones that sound better at shows, how would those match-up against the Q7 with all that special home tweaking and 100K + Amplifiers.


God, I miss The Audio Critic...... :)

In the 90's Sterophile used to let show goers vote "Best of sound " you know why they changed it, a hint , big hitters like Magico wouldn't top the list, small obscure on the outside guys did, not good .......


Regards...
 
PeterA said:
I think back ten years when nobody had heard of Magico. This obscure, little company released a 180 lb two-way mini monitor on an integrated stand that sold for $20K back in 2005. That release made quite a splash and quite a few headlines. Suddenly, magazines all over the world had cover articles about this speaker. People marveled at how big, powerful and realistic it sounded.

Ten years later, everyone has an opinion about Magico and one of the most popular topics on the forums. And judging from the virtual tours of their factory, it is an impressive operation.

It is difficult to not be impressed by the impact, influence and success of this company.
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There are more than a few over the decades, everyone of them had their "time" , these things come in cycles, 10 yrs sounds about right, I might also add, the stage for the mini-2 , was actually set by the Sonus Faber Electa Amator., before that , Wilson Watt..



Regards...
 
a.wayne said:
There are more than a few over the decades, everyone of them had their "time" , these things come in cycles, 10 yrs sounds about right, I might also add, the stage for the mini-2 , was actually set by the Sonus Faber Electa Amator., before that , Wilson Watt..




Regards...
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Actually NOLA, then Alon, set the table for mini speakers with their Adrianna. Way ahead of the time and curve and at that time but no one wanted to pay $10,000. Put the SF to shame both sonically and aesthetically. Oh and the new limited edition SF (Extrema?) is also a total rip off of the Adrianna's look. More than coincidental but as they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
 
a.wayne said:
Expectation Bias...?

IMO There is no excuse for any good speaker to sound "bad" at a show, it tells me a lot when they consistently do, taking it home and "tweaking it " until you are there is not representative of a good speaker, especially one at a 100K + and while Shows never represent perfect sound, as to noise, multiple seating, reflections, et al, you still have to ask, what if..? What would the others , the ones that sound better at shows, how would those match-up against the Q7 with all that special home tweaking and 100K + Amplifiers.


God, I miss The Audio Critic...... :)

In the 90's Sterophile used to let show goers vote "Best of sound " you know why they changed it, a hint , big hitters like Magico wouldn't top the list, small obscure on the outside guys did, not good .......


Regards...
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You are kidding right? Nothing else affects the sound of a speaker but the speaker at the show. Not the electricity, not the floor, not the equipment, not the Sheetrock walls, not the room size, not the number of people in the room, etc?
 
It has been years since I have been to a show, but I would guess with all the background and ambient noise occurring it must be next to impossible to really evaluate how something sounds.
 
Myles B. Astor said:
You are kidding right? Nothing else affects the sound of a speaker but the speaker at the show. Not the electricity, not the floor, not the equipment, not the Sheetrock walls, not the room size, not the number of people in the room, etc?
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errr , i did say ..........

a.wayne said:
and while Shows never represent perfect sound, as to noise, multiple seating, reflections, et al,

Regards...
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Myles B. Astor said:
Actually NOLA, then Alon, set the table for mini speakers with their Adrianna. Way ahead of the time and curve and at that time but no one wanted to pay $10,000. Put the SF to shame both sonically and aesthetically. Oh and the new limited edition SF (Extrema?) is also a total rip off of the Adrianna's look. More than coincidental but as they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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The Adrianna was before the Sonus faber ....? I dont think so , The Adrianna was after and actually followed along the lines of the Sonus Faber...


Was the Alon better than Magico's Mini ....?
 
BlueFox said:
It has been years since I have been to a show, but I would guess with all the background and ambient noise occurring it must be next to impossible to really evaluate how something sounds.
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If you can get speakers to sound very good at a show you can be assured that you can get the same or better in you own home as long as your room can handle them. I wouldn't totally eliminate a speaker that I was interested in based on a show demo. I have never heard Magico's or YG's sound good at a show, yet I have heard dealers demos for both that are fantastic.
 
still-one said:
If you can get speakers to sound very good at a show you can be assured that you can get the same or better in you own home as long as your room can handle them. I wouldn't totally eliminate a speaker that I was interested in based on a show demo. I have never heard Magico's or YG's sound good at a show, yet I have heard dealers demos for both that are fantastic.
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I wouldn't eliminate ANY piece of equipment based on what I heard at a show. If something sounds good, it's worth investigating; if it sounds bad, it doesn't mean anything.

Another corollary is looking for components for instance cables shared in common among good sounding rooms at a show.
 
Myles B. Astor said:
I wouldn't eliminate ANY piece of equipment based on what I heard at a show. If something sounds good, it's worth investigating; if it sounds bad, it doesn't mean anything.

Another corollary is looking for components for instance cables shared in common among good sounding rooms at a show.
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Myles...I agree as well but for me that just puts into question the value of going to a show as a means of really evaluating products. I guess it serves a role of demoing for those who don't have local dealers, I get that, but it seems quite futile.
 
a.wayne said:
Wait, What ...?
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I thought it was pretty clear what Myles said. If you walk into a hotel room at an audio show and the room/system sounds terrible, where do you start assigning blame? Do you say that everything in the system has issues? Do you single out a piece or two and blame them? How would you possibly know the source(s) of bad sound?
 
What does that have to do with your first statement? You were talking about what set the stage for what was to follow.
 
a.wayne said:
Wait, What ...?
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What Myles means is, if a piece of gear and let's stick with speakers for a second, sound good at a show, you know they are capable of producing good sound and as long as there isn't a major mismatch in terms of your room and the speakers or your amps and the speaker, one should be able to get similar performance in your space with perhaps some tweaking of gear, cabling, etc...If a speaker sounds bad in a show demo, there are so many other variables that could explain that bad performance (a mismatch with gear, poor room acoustics, ambient noise from other show goers and other rooms, spurious noise being generated in the electrical grid, etc...) that you cannot really conclude that the speaker itself is bad. You should assume that the demoers at the very least do have the right gear matched to the speakers for example (if they know what they're doing) but even that could be an issue.

You can make the same argument for any piece of gear, which is why I find the value of going to a show at best negligible. You will be demoing gear in a system you are unfamiliar with and typically with music that you are not familiar with and in an environment that could be contributing all kinds of issues to the performance of the gear you are trying to evaluate. Best to demo at home but that is usually quite hard to do, so second best is to demo at local dealer where most experienced audiophiles know their local dealer's show room and can often ask for demo gear to be placed in a system with gear you are also familiar with and where you can bring your own music as well to evaluate gear more effectively.
 
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