Music Server - Laptop-NAS Cabling

brad225

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Relax this is not a which is better cable question. I think.

I have a Cat 7 cable running from my Ethernet connection in my music room to a network switch. from there a Cat 7 runs to my laptop and a second from the switch to my NAS.

The cables are directional and clearly marked with an arrow. I realize this is usually done for grounding reasons on my interconnects. I installed them directionally as though I was bringing music from the NAS - Network Switch - Laptop - DAC - Preamp.

Does using directional cables have a negative affect on a download coming from the internet and using the cables in the opposite direction into the Network Switch - Laptop - Network Switch - NAS?


Thanks
 
Thanks for your insults. If I wanted those I would have asked someone I respect. It would at least mean something to me.

Who is Lee Hutchinson anyway?
 
Brad225 I can't answer your question but when ever a cable question is asked you will always get remarks from the wire is just wire folks. Either you hear a difference or you don't. Personally I hear differences.
 
My logic regarding cables, try it for yourself and forget anything anyone else tells you. If you hear a difference enjoy it, if you don't no harm no foul. My recommendation unless you have a local vendor wishing to loan you cables is to use The Cable Company. They have a great loaner program. https://www.thecableco.com/
 
octadyndude & CPP, thanks for your responses. I did purchase them from a returnable source though I have purchased from The Cable Co. Very nice people to work with.

For what worth there was a very noticeable change in the sound. My initial feeling is that it is an clear improvement. I will need to spend more time listening to be sure it is not just different so it is perceived as better issue. Could I have spent less, possibly.

That said I went from generic $10 Amazon Cat 7 cables to well shielded cable with high quality connectors on them. If it turns out it is not really better back/resell they go. That has been my approach with all of the equipment I have owned.


I will never understand people that want to start an argument on any subject. If you think I am wasting my money, fine, it's my money.

If I ask for you opinion on a subject I'm a free target.
 
Hi Brad.
In my system I have AQ Diamond and compared to the AQ Cinnamon that I also have, they are such a difference, so, so obvious ...
However, as I am a "stupid audiophile" I am waiting, to prove it, a Göebel Ethernet cable, because if there is one thing that I like in life is...... to throw away my money.
 
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Who is Lee Hutchinson anyway?

https://arstechnica.com/author/lee-hutchinson/

You asked a question and you got a technical answer on the subject written by the Senior Technology Editor of a well-known technology-oriented site. Obviously, you did not like that answer.

You have also received answers from others on this forum that support a subjective view on Ethernet cables.

However, the ONLY answer that matters is yours! It is simple: Just flip the cable and listen. Only YOU can tell what sounds better to YOU. If you can consistently choose one direction over the other even better. Don't worry about what anybody else thinks!
 
Sorry Jac-off that was not the answer to my question. I asked if technically the digital flow was the same in both directions with directional cables.

Oh, sorry if I got your name wrong.

By coincidence, I did purchase AQ Vodka.
 
I would not really recommend CAT 7. Usually CAT 7 cables are shielded, with the shields terminated to the (metal) Ethernet plugs at each end. This means the shield makes a ground connection between everything which is not broken by the Ethernet transformer. One of the advantages of Ethernet audio transmission is that it provides isolation (there is a transformer in the Ethernet jacks) between devices, and the grounded shield and metal Ethernet plugs defeat this isolation.
Additionally, eBay and amazon are not reliable sources for purchasing cabling, there are many chinese cable manufacturers who sell there, and their cables often do not meet spec.
At Sonore, we recommend Blue Jeans Cable CAT 6A for use with our products. It is affordable, reliable, and high performance, and they measure every cable after termination to insure it meets specification.
 
I would not really recommend CAT 7. Usually CAT 7 cables are shielded, with the shields terminated to the (metal) Ethernet plugs at each end. This means the shield makes a ground connection between everything which is not broken by the Ethernet transformer. One of the advantages of Ethernet audio transmission is that it provides isolation (there is a transformer in the Ethernet jacks) between devices, and the grounded shield and metal Ethernet plugs defeat this isolation.
Additionally, eBay and amazon are not reliable sources for purchasing cabling, there are many chinese cable manufacturers who sell there, and their cables often do not meet spec.
At Sonore, we recommend Blue Jeans Cable CAT 6A for use with our products. It is affordable, reliable, and high performance, and they measure every cable after termination to insure it meets specification.

I was going to respond the cable is terminated on one end only as the shield needs a place to drain. If it was terminated on both ends, you are correct in it would now make a non isolated connection between 2 devices that noise and voltage differential could ride on. I am no expert, just throwing out thoughts now. If it is terminated on one end only and isolation between devices is maintained, where is the shield draining too? And, if it is somehow draining to the power cord, is the system grounding for the 110 volt designed to take that noise somewhere or just put it back into the power grid in your panel.

I don't have answers to this, but I am working with another person to build a 110 volt supply from your panel to all your gear taking into account a way to drain shield noise away from the electrical source.

I also believe quality of conductor material, insulation and geometry all affect the passage of not only signal but also work to ballance electrical voltage flow. Per voltage flow, I mean keeping the voltage between the 2 or 3 conductors exactly equal so no spurious. 03 volts or so flow back through the ground causing ground loops and injected noise. A good cable should pass electricity as well as signal and not create ground loops. That may be what you are getting from a quality cable.
 
1. CAT 7 cables have the shield terminated to the connectors at both ends, so they defeat the isolation usually inherent in Ethernet connections. At least every one I have ever measured is terminated this way.
2. CAT 6A cables use a fully floating shield. Floating shields do provide shielding, without being grounded, but only at very high frequencies. Grounded shields are better for lower frequencies. But the concept of a grounded shield drawing away noise to (somewhere) is a little bit of a myth: yes this happens at some frequencies, but it is limited.
Anyway, unless you are going to terminate your own Ethernet cables in a custom way, you are not going to get Ethernet cables with a shield terminated at only one end. Has anyone tested, say Audioquest cables for this?
3. Additionally: given that Ethernet is fully differential signaling, a shield will not offer any real advantages to the signal anyway.
4. Again, Sonore's best recommendation is the high quality (Belden bonded pair) Blue Jeans Cables, CAT 6A. Belden bonded pair guarantees very accurate impedance and exactly matched conductor length amongst the pairs. The fact that these cables are individually tested also gives peace of mind.

Of course, feel free to experiment with audiophile Ethernet cables if you want, but I would highly recommend you do comparisons to the BJC CAT 6A and not to some generic Ethernet cables bought from eBay or Amazon, as these are likely to be of Chinese origin and highly suspect in terms of performance. Additionally, one of the main advantages of Ethernet distributed audio is that it allows one to move all the commercial grade computer equipment (NAS, computer server, router, etc) physically and electrically well away from the audio system; hopefully in another room of the home, and powered from the opposite phase of the home AC supply. So a longer run of Ethernet cable is going to be needed (in my set up I run 30' of CAT 6A from where my computer gear is located in an upstairs work room, to my downstairs living room where the audio system is); a long run of (insert your favorite audiophile Ethernet cable here) is going to be a considerable expense.

I personally have not tested any "audiophile" Ethernet cables. As far as directionality goes, hmm. the only factor which could make an Ethernet cable directional would be related to shield connections/grounding: perhaps the marked cables actually have shield connected at one end only, has anyone tested this? As Ethernet signaling goes both directions, the signal part of the cable design cannot be directional at all.

If any Audiophile Ethernet cable makers would like Sonore to test their cables, I am open minded to the possibility and willing to do so if the appropriate cables are loaned to us for such testing. If we find in testing that the cables indeed do make a significant audible difference, we would then be happy to recommend them to our customers.

Again, anyone in the process of evaluating audiophile Ethernet cables needs to make sure they test against a known quality cable and not versus generic cables from eBay and Amazon (or Staples, etc), as those are suspect. Make the test against Blue Jeans Cable CAT 6A, which are individually tested to meet their performance specifications.
 
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When I bough a Sonre Rendu a couple years back one of the guys specifically recommended that I get an Audioquest Vodka ethernet cable.
 
When I bough a Sonre Rendu a couple years back one of the guys specifically recommended that I get an Audioquest Vodka ethernet cable.

Hmm, I find that very curious. We are a small company, and no one in our company uses audiophile Ethernet cabling in their own systems with the Sonore Signature Rendu SE or the ultra Rendu. To my knowledge we have never tested any audiophile Ethernet cabling, not even Cardas for whom we are a dealer. Are you certain you are remembering this correctly?
 
https://www.belden.com/products/enterprise/copper/connectors/cat-6a-plugs

Why not I one of these? I don't use wall jacks. I just run from the switch in my basement up through the wall and directly into the back of my server. I like to reduce as many connection points as possible. I do use crap store bought cat 6 jumpers. Sonically you hear a difference between cat 5 and 6. I don't see any reason to believe a well terminated Belden cat 6 with custom length and terminations would not be an improvement over home depot stuff. I'm just not there yet. Soon, but working on other parts of my system now. Not sure why I could not use the male RJ45 Jack to terminate cat 7 either. And, I could choose to ground 1 end. I would probly ground to my linear Solutions switch. Then use the case with a sterling silver wire to drain noise to an isolated ground rod in my yard.
 
I'm fairly certain Barrows. It was the first time (I think) that I heard about audiophile ethernet cables being a thing. I just dug out my receipt and the letter that accompanied it with the warranty info. It was Adrian Lebena that wrote the letter and who recommended the cable.
 
Isn't Adrian part of The Linear Solution now. He advocates a shielded cat 7 cable he makes. It is to be very short to be effective and the switch goes on your audio rack. The switch feeds directly to your server, nuc etc.
 
I'm fairly certain Barrows. It was the first time (I think) that I heard about audiophile ethernet cables being a thing. I just dug out my receipt and the letter that accompanied it with the warranty info. It was Adrian Lebena that wrote the letter and who recommended the cable.

Ill ask Adrian to have a look at this thread, but he does not really "do" online forums, haha!
 
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