Music First Preamps...Thoughts?

Nice to know that it has finally arrived and that you are enjoying it.

How long did you have to wait after placing your order? At least it was worth it in the end :)

What was the first album that you played?
 
I don't remember exactly when I ordered it, but it took longer than usual for sure... but I had my Baby Classic during the time so I was in no rush. But now I know what I was missing all this time... hehe... it was definitely worth it though!

I played some various tunes from Malia & Boris Blank, Chromatics, Agnes Obel and the new 2017 remix of Sgt Pepper's "Within You Without You" which sounds absolutely stunning! And then I played the entire album of K.FLAY - Every Where is Some Where..... :)

I wish I could stay home from work tomorrow and listen to music all day long....
 
Yes, Baby Ref v2 is top of the line, but remember to order it with remote control option! I also had it a bit custom made to take the high gain of my dac/amps into consideration.

For someone who have tried ”everything”, you should try this one Joe... :)


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The website is not the best, I guess knowing that a remote control was even an option was thanks to reading alot of reviews etc....


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I'll be honest, I've looked at these every year for the past several years and would love to hear one. I definitely believe you guys. I trust your ears. And, I love the simplicity as well.


Yes, Baby Ref v2 is top of the line, but remember to order it with remote control option! I also had it a bit custom made to take the high gain of my dac/amps into consideration.

For someone who have tried ”everything”, you should try this one Joe... :)


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Joe - I specified the remote option (which is a little motor that literally moves the volume control inside paired with an apple remote, so 100% outside any signal path) and added a +6db switch which I highly recommend (and is free).

You can also have it wired for additional attenuation steps (default is 2db), but I didn't opt for it. Depends on your listening. I chose the standard RCA/XLR ins and outs - the unit will effectively convert all RCA to balanced signals through the tformer so is a fully balanced device.

The piece is quite the bargain with the GBP exchange rate.
 
I only specified the remote control option, and then as I had the problem that even the lowest volume step was sometimes too high during evenings I asked Jonathan to do something about that, and he made "special low volume taps" for me... it turned out great!

Originally I wanted to only have one input as I believe less is more, but he talked me out of it and advised me to go with the standard 6 RCA/XLR inputs which I did.

I think the 2db attenuation steps is good enough, I have 1db on my Lampi in 64 steps and it's a heck of a lot of volume knob turning...

He can probably do more or less what you want if you have some special need, but I don't think he really offer options from a list to pick from....

I went for black case with grey front. I have really started to appreciate the simple and clean look. All my gear... Lampi, Jobs and MFA is somewhat similar in it's "industrial" and "home built" design and I kind of like it... and this almost surprises me a bit because I'm usually VERY picky about design and looks!
 
Thank you gentlemen. I appreciate the help.

Joe - I specified the remote option (which is a little motor that literally moves the volume control inside paired with an apple remote, so 100% outside any signal path) and added a +6db switch which I highly recommend (and is free).

You can also have it wired for additional attenuation steps (default is 2db), but I didn't opt for it. Depends on your listening. I chose the standard RCA/XLR ins and outs - the unit will effectively convert all RCA to balanced signals through the tformer so is a fully balanced device.

The piece is quite the bargain with the GBP exchange rate.

I only specified the remote control option, and then as I had the problem that even the lowest volume step was sometimes too high during evenings I asked Jonathan to do something about that, and he made "special low volume taps" for me... it turned out great!

Originally I wanted to only have one input as I believe less is more, but he talked me out of it and advised me to go with the standard 6 RCA/XLR inputs which I did.

I think the 2db attenuation steps is good enough, I have 1db on my Lampi in 64 steps and it's a heck of a lot of volume knob turning...

He can probably do more or less what you want if you have some special need, but I don't think he really offer options from a list to pick from....

I went for black case with grey front. I have really started to appreciate the simple and clean look. All my gear... Lampi, Jobs and MFA is somewhat similar in it's "industrial" and "home built" design and I kind of like it... and this almost surprises me a bit because I'm usually VERY picky about design and looks!
 
Hehe, you do what you have to do, and don't rush into anything... but I seriously cannot recommend the BRv2 enough, and maybe especially to you of all people with all your gear and constant urge to try things or move things around... I'm confident that it will be a great partner to all of your toys and I even think it will allow you to re-discover many of them and see them in a new light.

I really think you ought to try this one if anything and I would love to hear your thoughts about it. I read all the reviews and comments on forums a hundred times, I hesitated about the money, I started "cheap" with the Baby Classic thinking how much better can things get, and while it was great, things literally took off to another level with the BRv2, just as I had read it would, but didn't quite believe until I heard it myself. It also comes packaged in a very nice black flight case, but unfortunately I was too impatient to remember to take any unboxing pictures...
 
... and if you don't like it, you could always blame me for spending $7500 (or whatever it will be)... and I will tell you that you shouldn't listen to strangers on the Internet... :)
 
Ha!

I've been reading a lot too and I have to say, not a single bad word. Very impressive when people find it easy to knock something.


I can only imagine how great it sounds with the Job monos. Probably a perfect complement.


I see the +6db switch as an option. I am not sure I understand its purpose. I do a lot of listening late night and predominately low to med level. Is there enough range on the bottom to get the right level? I'd probably love small(er) steps for each volume level.


... and if you don't like it, you could always blame me for spending $7500 (or whatever it will be)... and I will tell you that you shouldn't listen to strangers on the Internet... :)
 
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I have the blue face plate - looks stunning. Silver is probably the "standard" issue and looks great too.
 

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Joe - the +6db switch is for ease of mind imo. You can check the output voltage of your source vs. the input of your amps with Jonathan. Its not really a volume thing as much as a gain issue.

You can pay a premium for addtl attenuation steps - 1.5db i believe. I have to say I was very concerned, but have been pleasantly surprised. 2dbs doesn't matter to my ears much, but its a very personal thing. Jason Victor Serinus requires 0.1db steps which I find ludicrous (and anal).
 
Can a passive pre amp work with all sources and power amps? Isn't there a chance of impedance mismatch or not enough signal for a power amp etc.
 
Can a passive pre amp work with all sources and power amps? Isn't there a chance of impedance mismatch or not enough signal for a power amp etc.
The simple answer to your first question is no and to the second yes. It can actually get quite involved and hard to predict based upon specifications alone. In general the rule is that the power amp should have an input impedance at least 10 times higher than the source's output impedance. Then there's a matter of having sufficient gain which also involves the efficiency of your speakers. I see that you're also an analog devotee which further complicates matters when it comes to using a passive preamp, since a low output MC cartridge like yours is dependent upon the gain provided by your phono stage as well as the additional gain from the preamp section of your integrated amp. So really the only way to know whether a particular passive preamp is suitable for your system or whether you'd prefer it to an active stage is to try it in your system. I wish there was a simpler answer to your questions but in my experience it's the only way to be sure. Hope this helps!
 
I've just taken delivery of an MFA Baby Reference V2, and I'm very taken with it. The sound I'm getting is delightful and musically engaging. So count me in on this particular fan club. I struggle to think of any preamp at a similar price that could match its blend of insight, colour, texture and engagement. I've previously owned 3 Shindo preamps (Aurieges, Monbrison and Masseto) and I loved them all. But with their high gain, they were tricky to match in a system that was not all Shindo. I've listened to EAR, Linear Tube Audio, Modwright 36.5 and the Audio Music AM RT2 Silver Edition preamps. There are many paths to audio nirvana, and I think this route is a good one to check out. Audio Bill makes some very good points above - to make this approach work, you must focus on appropriate impedance matching and ensure you've got adequate gain along your signal chain. If you want a tubed phono stage, that can be tricky, but I found the EAR 88PB phono stage, which has a volume control & plenty of gain on tap, worked well for me at not outrageous cost. I took a toe in the water approach by buying a 2nd hand Django passive at low cost, living with it for a while, and comparing with other active preamps, before committing to the Baby Reference. That said, matching of active preamps with power amps of a different brand can be fraught with challenges also, as I found with Shindo.
 
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