MQA now on Tidal

Bob, thanks for your early reporting on what you are hearing from MQA via Tidal thru the Aurender app. I sincerely appreciate your observations

I have a question that you may know the answer to. Isn't there a limitation on how many albums you can save on Aurender? The number of 1000 albums sticks out in my mind.

I do know that you can't have a total number of songs in multiple playlists that exceeds 2000. That sounds like a lot. But I've imported or created extensive playlists from multiple genres and things start getting clunky around 1500 songs.

I believe that both Aurender and Lumin claim the limitation is a result of memory on the iPad. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

I have enjoyed following other people's posts on this thread. I hope others will post what they are hearing. Especially those with an MQA sanctioned DAC.

Hey Le Roy,

What's happening:) So this "work around" of having to go to the desktop and select your fav and then go and go and use it on the Ipad/Aurender app, I think is just that, a "work around", until they provide an interface on the main page of the Aurender, such as a Masters filter ie, the DSD filter. This saving the favs won't be any different once they get the app updated, than it is now.....other than you will probably be able to save Masters Fav's and Non-Masters Fav's.

Exciting, as it seems like something really exciting is happening.....that isn't always the case. Unfolding by the hour....fun.
 
well roon doesnt do mqa at all right now even if u pick the master album from tidal and save it to your fav. I just tried it and the dave said 44 not 96
 
having a Lumin A1 player, i cannot avail myself of the new 'Masters' album in MQA until Lumin adopts the format...Is that correct..? Can i play the MQA albums after downloading the new upgrade on Tidal through my system. ? If so ..how is that accomplished.?
 
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Why would there be more high frequency information?? You make it sound like signal processing enhancement, not an attempt to be closer to the "master tape" sound?

Depending on how one looks at this, I'd say compensating for flaws in the ADC of the recording equipment is a form of processing. To borrow an analogy, this is like your digital camera correcting for lens flaws (chromatic aberration, etc.).
 
having a Lumin A1 player, i cannot avail myself of the new 'Masters' album in MQA until Lumin adopts the format...Is that correct..? Can i play the MQA albums after downloading the new upgrade on Tidal through my system. ? If so ..how is that accomplished.?

Lumin has received zero request e-mail from users or dealers for this feature in the past 6 months or more.

If Lumin decides to support MQA, then it'll be a simple firmware upgrade just like the past.

If Lumin decides not to support MQA, then you need a software MQA decoder such as Roon 1.3 (to be confirmed).
 
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as far as I am concerned, MQA is simply part of the background noise (or garbage heap, where you would find Stuart's other turd.....MLP) until I hear from one credible person who has, with zero outside influence, observed their own files on their own gear realize definite improvement. everything I have seen so far is manipulated and massaged. I am surprised they have got as far as they have with as little true evidence.

I've participated in 2 MQA demos at shows with my mind open, but both were simply a series of choreographed cuts played without any sort of credible process for the audience to really know what was what.

show me one end user who raves about it.

OTOH if they have really done 'cold fusion' for us music lovers (actually improve an original file by the process and not just change it) then good for them and we all benefit. but color me quite skeptical.

I would add that I want to hear from someone who regularly listens to analog with a decent arm/cartridge/table and compares a good copy of an album against the MQA file. DCPs (Digital Couch Potatoes) who haven't owned an analog rig since their Great Aunt Matilda looked good in a bikini opinions don't count.
 
Peter..i find that statement that 'Lumin has received zero request e-mail from users or dealers for this feature' ..MQA.... in the past 6 months....hard to believe....Lumin's name has been linked in many articles ...i believe..as a future adopter of the format. Am i wrong..?And if the upgrade is 'simple'... and it is supposed to be the next big thing in audio, then why would Lumin NOT adopt it if it were 'simple'.?
 
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Depending on how one looks at this, I'd say compensating for flaws in the ADC of the recording equipment is a form of processing. To borrow an analogy, this is like your digital camera correcting for lens flaws (chromatic aberration, etc.).

But remember the bsg qol? Listeners and reviewers raved about that for awhile, i think it might even have won Product of the Year from some audio journal.
 
Peter..i find that statement that 'Lumin has received zero request e-mail from users or dealers for this feature' ..MQA.... in the past 6 months....hard to believe....Lumin's name has been linked in many articles ...i believe..as a future adopter of the format. Am i wrong..?And if the upgrade is 'simple'... and it is supposed to be the next big thing in audio, then why would Lumin NOT adopt it if it were 'simple'.?

You are correct. I sent a letter to Lumin 18 months ago re: MQA. Also, you will all remember when Tidal launched. I sent them an email when I was a beta tester and encouraged Tidal integration. It took a while, but finally came.


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I would add that I want to hear from someone who regularly listens to analog with a decent arm/cartridge/table and compares a good copy of an album against the MQA file. DCPs (Digital Couch Potatoes) who haven't owned an analog rig since their Great Aunt Matilda looked good in a bikini opinions don't count.

That's silly and irrelevant; if it is closer to the master recording sound than existing available versions, it shouldn't matter at all whether those existing available versions are analog or digital. And you know I have not been a fan of MQA, at least up to now; who knows whether that will now change?
 
I do know that you can't have a total number of songs in multiple playlists that exceeds 2000. That sounds like a lot. But I've imported or created extensive playlists from multiple genres and things start getting clunky around 1500 songs.

I believe that both Aurender and Lumin claim the limitation is a result of memory on the iPad.

Lumin playlist can have 2000 entries, that's a limit inside the players. With a playlist being too large, playlist manipulations may become sluggish. To compensate for that, Lumin app allows save/load multiple playlists to the iPad and synced to iCloud.
 
And if the upgrade is 'simple'... and it is supposed to be the next big thing in audio, then why would Lumin NOT adopt it if it were 'simple'.?

I said "simple firmware upgrade" from the view of end users - you just click Yes when the Lumin app prompts you to upgrade. The actual addition of the feature is not simple, it requires development time, and most importantly, involves various costs.
 
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if it is closer to the master recording sound than existing available versions, it shouldn't matter at all whether those existing available versions are analog or digital.

Since MQA _corrects_ the flaws of the recording equipment, by definition it will not be close to the master recording sound. For those who believe the original master has to be the best and post processing to improve it is bad, I'd say MQA is not for them.
 
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Hi guys,
A little help please. I am a Tidal hifi user through my Aurender N100H. I have now installed the Tidal app on my IMac. I have set the app so that it shows master? And it has recognized the Aurender as the device to send the decoded Mqa files to. I pick a new master album and hit play and it seems to be playing but no sound from my system. My understanding is that Tidal is streaming a decoded file and thus do not need an mqa dac. I use a ps audio directstream. Do I have to disconnect my Aurender iPad app to play from the desktop?
any ideas, thanks, Jeff
 
Jeff....From the Tidal app on your iMac, add the "master" album you select to your Tidal favorites. Then, open the Aurender app on your iPad, and the album you selected will be there. Play the album from the Aurender app as you normally would. I have found that it may be necessary to close the desktop app and restart the iPad app in order for the "master" selection to appear.
 
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Hi guys,
A little help please. I am a Tidal hifi user through my Aurender N100H. I have now installed the Tidal app on my IMac. I have set the app so that it shows master? And it has recognized the Aurender as the device to send the decoded Mqa files to. I pick a new master album and hit play and it seems to be playing but no sound from my system. My understanding is that Tidal is streaming a decoded file and thus do not need an mqa dac. I use a ps audio directstream. Do I have to disconnect my Aurender iPad app to play from the desktop?
any ideas, thanks, Jeff

Jeff....From the Tidal app on your iMac, add the "master" album you select to your Tidal favorites. Then, open the Aurender app on your iPad, and the album you selected will be there. Play the album from the Aurender app as you normally would. I have found that it may be necessary to close the desktop app and restart the iPad app in order for the "master" selection to appear.
 
My thoughts about MQA listening last evening.

I am focused on vinyl and have been since the early 70s. I never fully converted to CDs as my software source, though I did have a Lector cdt7 in my system for many years. The Lector left a few years ago and I decided to slowly burn my CDs to a hard drive and temporally use a Logitech Touch to stream. Last year MQA began looking interesting and since I needed a temporary DAC I decided the Meridian Explorer2 would be a fun experiment. I have used it to receive the upgraded digital output, up to 192/24, from the Touch which included being able to stream Tidal. Then I patiently waited, and waited, and waited, for the actual MQA Tidal release...

I was disappointed that initially they only are offering it through their own desktop application. This required me to bring my laptop into the system and relegate the Logitech to the sidelines. This also took away my control app on my iPad, but my curiosity prevailed. Tidal software and the required PC drivers for the Explorer2 were downloaded and installed. I spent the next .... few hours comparing the true MQA "blue led" Tidal playback to 44/16 FLAC files, a few 192/24 high res files, and to vinyl. For reference all the digital was streamed through the small Meridian DAC.

My system is adequate, but not ultimate high end. What I experienced using the MQA through my lap top was slightly different than my own burned CDs or Hi res files. The upper frequencies in the high res files were a little "crisper" than the MQA, but the MQA was just as detailed but more enjoyable and to me more musical. The lower frequencies were also perceived to be as articulated as the hi res files, but again just a little more "right" in my perception of the music. There was a definite improvement over the 44/16 files on clarity and smoothness. I was able to configure Tidal to not pass the MQA signal to the DAC and it output a 96/24 signal. This sounded fine, but not near the level of enjoyment as with the Explorer2 doing the MQA processing provided previously in my system.

After spending a good amount of time in the above comparisons I decided to spin a few sides of vinyl. The reality is in my system the vinyl was still superior. There is a liquidity that MQA presents that I truly enjoyed (for a few hours more than I had planed) over my other basic digital sources. That liquidity, smoothness, and ability to create the environment that surrounds the music is superior to my ear with vinyl playback in my system.

Employing a simple low level Meridian Explorer2, a non-optimized laptop PC, and Tidal MQA set to pass through to the Explorer2, I was truly thrilled by the musical presentation. I was engaged in a way that surprised me and already has me wondering how it will sound with a better DAC that also includes the hardware MQA capability.

Rick
 
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That's silly and irrelevant; if it is closer to the master recording sound than existing available versions, it shouldn't matter at all whether those existing available versions are analog or digital. And you know I have not been a fan of MQA, at least up to now; who knows whether that will now change?

Rob-I know you are a digital only kind of guy, so to you the comparison of an album that was originally recorded to analog tape and cut to LP when the master tape was still fresh against the MQA version may be "silly and irrelevant." To those of us who maintain both digital and analog playback in our systems and still prefer the sound of analog, the comparison is neither silly or irrelevant. For the analog believers, you die hard digital guys comparing one sort of PCM file against another sort of PCM file that has been manipulated, folded, and data tucked in for the night until its decoded through MQA doesn't hold much stock for determining which PCM file "is closer to the master recording sound." How would you know which is "closer to the master recording sound"??? Because some light lit up on your DAC that says you are playing an authenticated file? Because you bought into some marketing hype and you believe that MQA has corrected all problems with the original A/D converters used in every recording?

The only way you would ever know which version of a PCM file "is closer to the master recording sound" is if you had an early generation copy of the master tape at your home and you had a professional tape deck to play back that master tape copy and you compared that against all of your PCM files to determine your digital winner. That's still reminiscent of having a margarine tasting contest to see which one comes closer to tasting like butter. That is why I want to hear from someone who has invested in both digital and analog in their system and compares an LP that was cut from the original master tape (pure analog transfer) against the MQA file. Until then, everyone is just comparing different flavors of margarine and trying to convince themselves that one of those flavors actually does taste just like butter. Maybe that could be the next marketing slogan for digital: "I can't believe it's not analog!"
 
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