MQA Discussion

Kuoppis said:
Interesting lecture, but does not tell me whether any of my music does sound good, does it? [emoji3]


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For that we have to just listen. Something the objectivists seem incapable of doing. Trust your ears, not inadequate measuring equipment. I even read one fifth rate, “the world revolves around me” reviewer say he wouldn’t even try MQA until he sees more measurements proving it’s better. But of course, he’s totally against MQA until that time (still never trying it). Absurd.


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At least JA hints that in the next issue of S’phile he may address some of the more reasonable and important objections to MQA (the non-audio ones).
 
Mike said:
For that we have to just listen. Something the objectivists seem incapable of doing. Trust your ears, not inadequate measuring equipment. I even read one fifth rate, “the world revolves around me” reviewer say he wouldn’t even try MQA until he sees more measurements proving it’s better. But of course, he’s totally against MQA until that time (still never trying it). Absurd.

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I agree, it’s not possible to know whether the music actually sounds good without listening to it.

That’s why I am happy I did not take a shortcut and waited until I had a proper DAC available before evaluating MQA.


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OK, MQA noob here. I have watched from the sidelines, but the new update to my dCS Rossini allows the DAC to play the MQA. My question... are all Tidal “masters” MQA? Besides the album residing in the “masters” tab in my ROON/Tidal interface, is there anything else to tell me I am listening to an MQA file? (The rosinni does not have any buttons or lights to indicate, and I haven’t explord deeply to see if there us some other designation.) I am more intersted if the ROON iOS control app shows if the file is MQA?
 
Bobvin said:
OK, MQA noob here. I have watched from the sidelines, but the new update to my dCS Rossini allows the DAC to play the MQA. My question... are all Tidal “masters” MQA? Besides the album residing in the “masters” tab in my ROON/Tidal interface, is there anything else to tell me I am listening to an MQA file? (The rosinni does not have any buttons or lights to indicate, and I haven’t explord deeply to see if there us some other designation.) I am more intersted if the ROON iOS control app shows if the file is MQA?
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Did you perform the update to you rRossini?

When playing MQA content on the Rossini a very large box indicating MQA shows in the display window. You can't miss it next to the Filter indicator.

I believe all Tidal Masters are MQA. The Masters section under albums in Tidal only shows a rather random listing of ~450 MQA titles. That appears to be a limitation inn Tidal. According to a list maintained on the MeridianUnplugged site there are close to 10,000 MQA options to choose from.
 
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Did you perform the update to you rRossini?

When playing MQA content on the Rossini a very large box indicating MQA shows in the display window. You can't miss it next to the Filter indicator.

I believe all Tidal Masters are MQA. The Masters section under albums in Tidal only shows a rather random listing of ~450 MQA titles. That appears to be a limitation inn Tidal. According to a list maintained on the MeridianUnplugged site there are close to 10,000 MQA options to choose from.
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Oh, I forgot.

Please check your Tidal app (not via Roon the actual Tidal app for your computer) that you are set up properly.

Go to Settings.
Go to the Streaming tab.
Make sure you have Masters selected at the top.
Place your curser just to the right of the "Built in Output" line and a gear should appear.
Click that gear and it will take you to a page where you should:
Select "Use Exclusive Mode"
Select "PassThrough MQA"
 
I'm usually technically savvy, but still confused. I don't know how the Tidal app settings for streaming affect my system, because my computer is not connected in any way to my system. I downloaded the Tidal app to my computer, previously only used the iOS app on my iPad which is how I control my Roon Rock. The Rock has access to the Tidal account.

From my computer, in the Tidal application, I saw your settings page:

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and I see several "sound output" options but none related to my rig as the computer isn't connected. Anyway, I set all the outputs as you discribe:

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Having done this, still if I play Tidal Master through my Roon Rock, I don't see the MQA designation, it still looks like the PCM version is being played (and upsampled by the ROCK).

Are you somehow playing from Tidal desktop app to your Rossini directly from your computer? Or are you going through Roon?

Thanks for the help.
 

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Bobvin said:
I'm usually technically savvy, but still confused. I don't know how the Tidal app settings for streaming affect my system, because my computer is not connected in any way to my system. I downloaded the Tidal app to my computer, previously only used the iOS app on my iPad which is how I control my Roon Rock. The Rock has access to the Tidal account.

From my computer, in the Tidal application, I saw your settings page:

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and I see several "sound output" options but none related to my rig as the computer isn't connected. Anyway, I set all the outputs as you discribe:

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Having done this, still if I play Tidal Master through my Roon Rock, I don't see the MQA designation, it still looks like the PCM version is being played (and upsampled by the ROCK).

Are you somehow playing from Tidal desktop app to your Rossini directly from your computer? Or are you going through Roon?

Thanks for the help.
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Bob
No, I have never used the Tidal app to play any music. I only use the app to update my settings just as you have posted in your screen shots above.

I entered my Tidal login information into Roon (and previously Sooloos) and only access Tidal in this manner.

When you open the Rossini app on your iPad or iPhone do you see that you are now running:
Front Panel Version 1.10
Control Board Version 1.10
Network Board Version 368
App Version 1.4.8

Note. I do see a difference in our output setting but the may not matter.
 
I did have DSP turned on, only for upsampling, no equalization or other. I will check how turning it off affects the MQA and report back.
 
Hi Bob,

Not sure you got John Quick's email with instructions or not, but the important parts are this:

1 - Make sure you power cycle your Rossini from the back. Turn it off for at least 15 seconds then back on.
2 - Play back an MQA file (I use Roon), and select the "M" filter from the front of the Rossini. From that point on it will remember to use that filter for MQA, otherwise it won't play back MQA.

Let me know if you have issues and I'll send you his email if you don't already have it.

Bryan


Bobvin said:
OK, MQA noob here. I have watched from the sidelines, but the new update to my dCS Rossini allows the DAC to play the MQA. My question... are all Tidal “masters” MQA? Besides the album residing in the “masters” tab in my ROON/Tidal interface, is there anything else to tell me I am listening to an MQA file? (The rosinni does not have any buttons or lights to indicate, and I haven’t explord deeply to see if there us some other designation.) I am more intersted if the ROON iOS control app shows if the file is MQA?
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Bob, If you have Roon, you don't need to change anything in the Tidal app -- it has nothing to do with any of this unless you're using the Tidal program on your PC to play back music on your Rossini over USB.

You really should connect your Rossini to your network. Once you do that, you'll just need to add it as a playback source in your Roon DB and there are NO settings for MQA,etc for the Rossini in Roon this way.
 
I disabled the dsp engine on the Roon ROCK, and now the MQA plays through. Wondering if there is another way as letting the Rock do the upsampling seems to sound a little better for all the files in my library. There has to be a way for upsampling the local files in the ROCK and streaming the MQA.

If you play a Tidal Master and it is not streaming MQA, do you just get the native pcm?
 
It is a bit unfortunate it appears so difficult to get MQA going: with the Brinkmann Nyquist it is luckily plug&play. Just hook up the DAC to the Aurender via USB and off you go.

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Maybe the best Ben Webster I have so far ever heard.


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And even easier with the DS with the Bridge II as it's all in one box. Congrats on the Brinkmann looks like a great piece. Has it become a permanent piece of the chain? If so that's a pretty complete set-up you have put together lately.
 
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