MQA Discussion

This is getting absurd. It seems everyone who gets behind MQA has an agenda and is only in it for the money while those who speak out against it are all unquestionable friggen geniuses (yes not the correct plural use).

This generalisation is getting absurd.

No-one called out audio.bill and still-one as saying it for the money.

And, surely, those who find non-MQA music with non-MQA dac's sounding better than MQA music with MQA dac's aren't saying so because they think they are "unquestionable friggen geniuses".

Ah, again, ....... the audacity, the temerity, the pomposity and to add, the arrogance.........
 
Has MQA taken over where DSD left off? Round two: PCM vs MQA.

DSD = RIP?

My guess would be they will continue to coexist, due to people having setups sounding good with one or several of them.


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I suspect that to survive that MQA has to get more DAC manufacturers on board that appeal to the average consumer and find other streaming partners besides a cash strapped Tidal. Having Spotify and Quboz go in a different direction is not a good sign. The "average Joe" streaming customer cares more about choices and cost more than quality. The sales of Chromecast Audio devices at $35 is a testament to that fact. I have one and using the optical output into a quality mid-level DAC gives "average Joe" as good as he is interested in at a low cost. It works fine in my office setup using the Tidal or Spotify desk top app. What "we" think is important will not make any of these technologies survive.
 
Has MQA taken over where DSD left off? Round two: PCM vs MQA.

DSD = RIP?

Primarily, MQA is compression format of PCM.

DSD use other hardware than MQA/PCM. Hence comparison between MQA and DSD is technically incorrect.

If MQA will considered as full system (with "lazy" filters from ADC to DAC), need compare implementations of systems.

More about comparing implementations http://samplerateconverter.com/content/dsd-and-pcm-real-competitors
 
My guess would be they will continue to coexist, due to people having setups sounding good with one or several of them.
Yep, heaven forbid.
Of course the MQA crusaders will have you believe that you must be deaf to not hear the "unblurred", no longer "harsh digital" of MQA. MQA is "better", because they said so, that's why!
How dare you not prefer a nice dose of anharmonic aliasing distortion, HF compensation EQ "remastering" and lossy too (see patent)!! :lol:

cheers,

AJ
 
I suspect that to survive that MQA has to get more DAC manufacturers on board that appeal to the average consumer and find other streaming partners besides a cash strapped Tidal. Having Spotify and Quboz go in a different direction is not a good sign. The "average Joe" streaming customer cares more about choices and cost more than quality. The sales of Chromecast Audio devices at $35 is a testament to that fact. I have one and using the optical output into a quality mid-level DAC gives "average Joe" as good as he is interested in at a low cost. It works fine in my office setup using the Tidal or Spotify desk top app. What "we" think is important will not make any of these technologies survive.
Good post
 
Interesting to read David Chesky's impressions of MQA in this Stereophile article:
Thanks for posting the link Bill. Chesky is a good recording artist. Conceptually MQA cd's make accessing this recording process easier for old school guys like me who prefer to buy and spin cd's rather than download. If nothing else it offers more choice for audiophiles buying RBCDs.
 
Thanks for posting the link Bill. Chesky is a good recording artist. Conceptually MQA cd's make accessing this recording process easier for old school guys like me who prefer to buy and spin cd's rather than download. If nothing else it offers more choice for audiophiles buying RBCDs.
Glad that you found it of interest, there certainly seems to be strongly polarized opinions when it comes to discussing MQA.
 
I won a mqa cd in a raffle. Now I need to figure out how to play it.
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JA's review of the Meridian Ultra DAC in the current issue of Stereophile :-

"When I used the Ultra DAC to compare Silverman's Beethoven MQA files with Vorontsova's Rachmaninoff CD, while both pianists played Steinways, the Red Book-quality was superior to the potentially superior-sounding MQA files in conveying her instrument's majesty and the recording venue's acoustic was warmly supportive but there was one significant exception : The MQA recording presented the width and depth of the Steinway in an uncannily realistic manner."
 
If the number of new items added to the Tidal section is any indication it may be. Several weeks ago Auralic, one of the original group of supporters, released a software update with their own version. They will show a far more upscale version of the Aries and Vega in Munich.
 
Mike,
Long time lurker here, just trying to learn stuff about something I love (music reproduction). My system is very meager by the standards of others here, but I've been able to improve it pretty dramatically without breaking the bank with info gleaned through this exposure.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am not an engineer or audio specialist, please forgive my basic terminology. I had read most of this (and many other articles on the subject) earlier and it really didn't discourage me from the potential of MQA. Using John A's comparison of files, I seem to remember that at least one of the examples he missed was from a later Steely Dan CD. We all know that some CDs just sound better than others and the later Steely Dan CDs are among the best sounding that I own, and I own quite a few. So, it's easy to see how improvements may have been minimal.

At its heart, MQA is basically a .zip file for audio, so it's not really a new idea, but I think many of us might be missing the opportunity here. I have long felt that there was nothing wrong with the theory of digital music, but that implementation might have been flawed. The fact that a file may have been encoded by one brand of ADC only to decoded by a different DAC seems problematic at best. This is a chance for a second chance for much of our recorded music to have a end-to-end solution where problems aren't created at the production end that can't be fully corrected at the player. Maybe those sorts of problems were never introduced to the aforementioned Steely Dan CDs.

Also, while it may be true that file size may not be the issue it once was, I wouldn't agree that there is no benefit to reducing the size of the file in the pipe. Even the advent of hi-res files delivered on a CD is especially appealing to me because I like to own the physical media. I hope it doesn't die an undeserving death just because we don't fully understand the operation of it's proprietary function. It doesn't surprise me that they haven't told the whole world everything.

DT
 
Mike,
Long time lurker here, just trying to learn stuff about something I love (music reproduction). My system is very meager by the standards of others here, but I've been able to improve it pretty dramatically without breaking the bank with info gleaned through this exposure.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am not an engineer or audio specialist, please forgive my basic terminology. I had read most of this (and many other articles on the subject) earlier and it really didn't discourage me from the potential of MQA. Using John A's comparison of files, I seem to remember that at least one of the examples he missed was from a later Steely Dan CD. We all know that some CDs just sound better than others and the later Steely Dan CDs are among the best sounding that I own, and I own quite a few. So, it's easy to see how improvements may have been minimal.

At its heart, MQA is basically a .zip file for audio, so it's not really a new idea, but I think many of us might be missing the opportunity here. I have long felt that there was nothing wrong with the theory of digital music, but that implementation might have been flawed. The fact that a file may have been encoded by one brand of ADC only to decoded by a different DAC seems problematic at best. This is a chance for a second chance for much of our recorded music to have a end-to-end solution where problems aren't created at the production end that can't be fully corrected at the player. Maybe those sorts of problems were never introduced to the aforementioned Steely Dan CDs.

Also, while it may be true that file size may not be the issue it once was, I wouldn't agree that there is no benefit to reducing the size of the file in the pipe. Even the advent of hi-res files delivered on a CD is especially appealing to me because I like to own the physical media. I hope it doesn't die an undeserving death just because we don't fully understand the operation of it's proprietary function. It doesn't surprise me that they haven't told the whole world everything.

DT

Welcome!!


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...At its heart, MQA is basically a .zip file for audio...
DT
Actually, it's not like a .zip file in any way, that's a totally inappropriate analogy. Reading some of the links in the early pages of this thread might steer you in the right direction.
 
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