Mono and Stereo article on Mike Lavigne system

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AJ Soundfield said:
I don't see anything remotely controversial about MLs system or RRs subjective response to it. None. Zero.
I do see some controversy around RRs bizarre phobias, some of which (Ceramic drivers, SS, etc) were somehow overcome by actual listening, others (digital) were overcome by, well...not listening.
Fascinating stuff. I wonder how RR would have overcome the ceramic, ss things he "knew", if he had also refused to listen to either? Ah well.
I do envy RR a bit for shunning a scourge of the modern world...a cel phone. Since he has a phobia of digital audio devices, he most certainly would want to stay away from a digital audio cel phone. Must be nice!
Not sure how far the string can stretch between the tin cans, but hey...:)
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You have a gift for condescension, but why the nasty tone, AJ?
 
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Peter Breuninger said:
This system is the king! 1493 comments, 1657 thumbs up, 420 thumbs down, 720,091 views! Feed the poor comments, hate threats, you name it, it's been posted (and removed) from comments.

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The singer's voice at the end of the video sounds pretty horrible, quite cold and "digital" (in the caricature sense). I hope that's just a problem with the recording of the reproduction of the recording...
 
Hey Joe, it looks like they’re critiquing systems by guys named “Mike”. Should I be worried? [emoji6]


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PeterA said:
You have a gift for condescension, but why the nasty tone, AJ?
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It is purely in jest, if you are familiar with such concepts. Don't let it resonate so much, that it's taken seriously...it shouldn't.
If it does, look inward.:)
Ron seems like a good sport and it also seems he quite enjoyed Mikes system...when he listened of course.
The glass is sometimes half full Peter, not always half empty. If there is (was?) a silver lining, Ron did seem to purge 2 phobias, ceramic drivers and ss if I recall correctly. Not a bad thing for a purported "audio" reviewer/"audio" phile, IMHO!
Keep hope alive. ;)

cheers,

AJ
 
mep said:
. . . RR has no problem trashing real reviewers . . .
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I call it like I see it, and I do not hesitate to critique when critiquing is due. Nor do I hesitate to give credit when credit is due.

I have criticized reviewers who make no effort to compare sonically the instant component under review with competing components. I have applauded effusively reviewers who do make and report on direct comparisons (e.g., Michael Fremer and Don Saltzman).

I criticized in a lengthly article a hyperbolic and logically indefensible review of the Kronos turntable by Peter Breuninger (who declared the Kronos turntable to be the single best turntable available in the entire world, even though he, in fact, did not compare the Kronos to several of the world’s most highly regarded turntables).

I have criticized Jonathan Valin for poor ethics relating to his practice of “long term loans” of equipment. Many reviewers reject long term loans of equipment because the practice creates potential conflicts of interest.

I gladly will repeat and defend, in writing, on the telephone and in person to anyone, including the reviewer who was the subject of my comment, every critical and every congratulatory word I have ever written about a reviewer.

In support of your comment please cite verbatim and in full any criticism I have ever written about a reviewer which you believe constitutes “trashing.” I happily will re-evaluate my criticism, and either defend my original criticism if I still stand behind it, or I will amend it or retract it if your cogent argument persuades me that my criticism was wrong or unfair.
 
Peter Breuninger said:
This system is the king! 1493 comments, 1657 thumbs up, 420 thumbs down, 720,091 views! Feed the poor comments, hate threats, you name it, it's been posted (and removed) from comments.

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Equipment shrine 3' (maybe less?) from a wide dispersion direct radiator speaker :disbelief:

Nooooooooooooooo...;)
 
mep said:
First of all, everybody who refers to RR’s house visit reports needs to stop confusing them with actual reviews. RR has not had a stereo system or a room to put it in for 5-6 years, so he is incapable of writing an actual review of anything. [...] RR has no problem trashing real reviewers so I have no doubts he would use his poison pen to disparage the MSB if he heard it and didn’t like it.
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1. What is a "real" reviewer? You?
2. You have repeatedly disparaged tons of digital -- in fact all of PCM, if I am not mistaken. Talking about "poison pen". If it's not to your taste, that's fine, but didn't you have a digital set-up that was very cheap relative to your vinyl set-up (actually, just looking at your signature, yes you still have)? Talking about fair comparisons. I'm not even sure how optimized your DAC is for PCM, compared to DSD that you like better.
 
RonR said:
I call it like I see it, and I do not hesitate to critique when critiquing is due. Nor do I hesitate to give credit when credit is due.

I have criticized reviewers who make no effort to compare sonically the instant component under review with competing components. I have applauded effusively reviewers who do make and report on direct comparisons (e.g., Michael Fremer and Don Saltzman).

I criticized in a lengthly article a hyperbolic and logically indefensible review of the Kronos turntable by Peter Breuninger (who declared the Kronos turntable to be the single best turntable available in the entire world, even though he, in fact, did not compare the Kronos to several of the world’s most highly regarded turntables).

I have criticized Jonathan Valin for poor ethics relating to his practice of “long term loans” of equipment. Many reviewers reject long term loans of equipment because the practice creates potential conflicts of interest.

I gladly will repeat and defend, in writing, on the telephone and in person to anyone, including the reviewer who was the subject of my comment, every critical and every congratulatory word I have ever written about a reviewer.

In support of your comment please cite verbatim and in full any criticism I have ever written about a reviewer which you believe constitutes “trashing.” I happily will re-evaluate my criticism, and either defend my original criticism if I still stand behind it, or I will amend it or retract it if your cogent argument persuades me that my criticism was wrong or unfair.
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I hardly know where to begin. First you need to define what constitutes a long term loan. You have called out several reviewers for being lazy because they didn’t compare sonically the “instant” component under review with competing components. How are you supposed to do that if you don’t have long term loans of comparative components? You can’t have it both ways.

For a guy who calls himself a reviewer sans system or room and who is currently unable to review anything, you have a lot of nerve calling out other reviewers such as Valin or Jacob Heilbrunn who are well established reviewers. How much longer until you publish your first review?
 
Al M. said:
1. What is a "real" reviewer? You?
2. You have repeatedly disparaged tons of digital -- in fact all of PCM, if I am not mistaken. Talking about "poison pen". If it's not to your taste, that's fine, but didn't you have a digital set-up that was very cheap relative to your vinyl set-up (actually, just looking at your signature, yes you still have)? Talking about fair comparisons. I'm not even sure how optimized your DAC is for PCM, compared to DSD that you like better.
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Al- You are mixing some things together. A reviewer is someone who has a stereo system that serves as a reference to compare other components with, a room to put it in, and actually has their reviews published by the magazine or ezine that pays them. It’s kind of hard to do that when you don’t have a system or a room to put it in.

As for your other criticisms of my digital rig and my opinions of PCM, wait until my latest review is published and I think you will have some questions answered.
 
Dear mep,

A constructive place to begin would have been to accept my invitation to cite verbatim and in full context an example of the “trashing” of which you have accused me. For whatever reason you either have chosen not to, or you have been unable to, do this. Therefore I will consider the matter to be closed.
 
RonR said:
Dear mep,

A constructive place to begin would have been to accept my invitation to cite verbatim and in full context an example of the “trashing” of which you have accused me. For whatever reason you either have chosen not to, or you have been unable to, do this. Therefore I will consider the matter to be closed.
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Consider it closed RR. I gave you examples and asked you to define what a long term loan is. You chose to ignore that. I asked you when we can expect to see your first review of an actual component published when you finally have a system and a room to put it in. You ignored that too.
 
And Audio Shark inches ever closer to every other vitriolic audio site because people can't just read someones effort to offer their opinion on equipment most of us would love to hear and probably never will.

Thanks for sharing your experience with us Ron
 
brad225 said:
And Audio Shark inches ever closer to every other vitriolic audio site because people can't just read someones effort to offer their opinion on equipment most of us would love to hear and probably never will.

Thanks for sharing your experience with us Ron
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I wouldn't go that far. Like I said, no other system has caused such an uproar on the Internet. I'm not sure why to be honest.

Has anyone heard these speakers in another setting? I'm wondering if more than a pair or two has been sold.
 
Mike said:
I wouldn't go that far. Like I said, no other system has caused such an uproar on the Internet. I'm not sure why to be honest.

Has anyone heard these speakers in another setting? I'm wondering if more than a pair or two has been sold.

P.S. did anyone read this months HiFi News and their discussion of line arrays. Very interesting.
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I wouldn't either Mike, except for different reasons. I have zero problems with someone making a house visit to hear a stereo system and writing up a house visit report on what they heard. People who call a house visit report a review is what is misleading. Reviews are written using your own personal stereo system as your reference and you typically spend 2-3 months listening to the component you are reviewing before you write a review. Your opinions of house visits can be written up immediately after leaving the house and coming home. Big difference and that's why I'm amazed that some people confuse the two.

As for MikeL's system, many, many, people have been to MikeL's barn to hear his system and many of those many have shared their opinions of hearing MikeL's system on forums. Brad acts like this is the first time someone has shared their opinions of MikeL's system. Because MikeL has spent huge sums of money on his room and system and he holds it in high regard, people love to talk about it and share their opinions.
 
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