Mono and Stereo article on Mike Lavigne system

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ack said:
Here's something to consider, using Ron's own language:



I do not believe Ron did not listen to a single note from digital, even if he doesn't care for digital. He was there to describe the system.
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He was there to hear the VAC and the Lamm ML3 amps. So what if he heard one note of digital before MikeL muted the MSB that was warming up the system? Do you really care about seconds or minutes when someone with no system or room who hates digital gives their impression of what they heard?
 
jadedavid said:
Does it REALLY matter what RR heard or didn't hear?
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In a thread specifically about RR listening to Mike Ls system? I say yes, very much.
Now, does his purely subjective impression, however brief, matter more or less than any other, including self anointed "true" "reviewers" and others who decree themselves as the final arbiters of sound, etc? IMO, no.
To me, it's all just subjective impressions/opinion, not a d1ck measuring contest. YMMV.

p.s. does RR being a "fake" reviewer make his articles "fake news"? Stay tuned.....;)
 
mep said:
First of all, everybody who refers to RR’s house visit reports needs to stop confusing them with actual reviews. RR has not had a stereo system or a room to put it in for 5-6 years, so he is incapable of writing an actual review of anything. After RR visited the Gryphon factory and wrote his visit report, people started referring to that visit as a review. Gryphon took exception to that and stated it was not a review, it was just RR’s thoughts on his visit. Second, RR had his motivations for his visit at MikeL’s house. RR has publically stated numerous times he has no interest in digital and that included his visit to MikeLs house. So Ack, I think you are wrong that RR heard the MSB at MikeL’s house and didn’t like it, but kept his mouth shut. RR has no problem trashing real reviewers so I have no doubts he would use his poison pen to disparage the MSB if he heard it and didn’t like it.
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Gryphon can't have taken too much exception to Ron's fake review considering its still on Mono and Stereo as a Review. At least this nicely written article did not have the " review" word.:P

[h=3]Gryphon Audio Pendragon Four Chassis Loudspeaker system review[/h]https://www.monoandstereo.com/2015/02/gryphon-audio-pendragon-four-chassis.html
 
"Hell hath no fury like a reviewer scorned"

...and now back to our feature presentation, Mike L's system...
 
brad225 said:
My experience has been. Get 12 or more audiophiles together and at least 2 will have a tape measure in their pocket.
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And the other 10 will want to know if the tape measures were calibrated.
 
mep said:
And the other 10 will want to know if the tape measures were calibrated.
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That is too funny!

Regarding the digital, if Mike and Ron both say that they did not listen to the MSB DAC, then I take them at their word. I have talked to Ron about this visit and he told me that he went for three reasons: to meet MikeL, to compare the three super amps in a highly regarded system, and to hear vinyl.
 
I think that a Special Council needs to be appointed to determine who heard what and when they heard it.
This has serious implications that need to be brought to light.
Audiofools everywhere need to know.
 
ack said:
First, I do not believe that Ron would not have the itch to listen to a $100K DAC, also considering how much time he spent over there. Second, your comment echoes that of the local dealer who will not carry it, because it does not perform. In other words, I suspect Ron did listen to it, was not impressed, and is leaving it out of his report.
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I do not know why you would not believe that I would "not have the itch to listen to a $100K DAC" but I did not. It is very simple: I have no interest in digital components. It is oddly arrogant of you to think that everyone has the particular interests you have.

I did not ask to listen to the DAC, and, in fact, we did not listen to it at all. (If I remember correctly Mike turned on a digital source solely to warm up the darTZeels while we went out to lunch, but I know to a certainty that we did not listen to any music on the digital source at all.)

And thank you very much, Keith! :congrats:
 
jadedavid said:
I think that a Special Council needs to be appointed to determine who heard what and when they heard it.
This has serious implications that need to be brought to light.
Audiofools everywhere need to know.
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Well, it may cost tens of millions, take a few years, and still not answer the question that audiofools everywhere need to know. After it is all said and done and we have all moved on to horns and tubes, we might find out from the Special Council that Mike likes coffee in the morning and that Ron prefers tea in the afternoon.
 
RonR said:
It is very simple: I have no interest in digital components.
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So you have no interest in music/audio, just analog components. The vessel is the key factor.
Fascinating and thanks for your honesty Ron. It's refreshing. Hopefully no one mistakenly labels you an "audio" phile.:)
Analogcomponentsphile perhaps?

As a side note, I've performed listening sessions before where a dual output phono preamp feeds 2 inputs of a stereo preamplifier. One input is direct, the other loops through an ADC/DAC. The levels are very carefully matched and the listeners switch between inputs listening to music of their choice. The only thing they don't know is which is the "analog" and which is the "digital". But of course, remember, self identified audiophiles "trust their ears". They say so ad infinitum. So they should have zero problems instantly identifying the "good" analog from the dreaded "digital". Right?
I really enjoy such tests :D

cheers,

AJ
 
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