Mola-Mola Review in 6 Moons

microstrip said:
Mark,

Curious that people start claiming power amplifiers behave like wires with gains but most of the time use the preamplifier case to make their points. IMHO in this Mola Mola case the proper debate should be carried using the amplifier in real conditions - using real speakers in stereo as the load.

IMHO many of the tests for wire with gain are flawed - they just used resistors as a load and attenuator, not the modern low impedance speakers with large variance in impedance.

Transparency of a component, defined as bellow, is a difficult concept to test - it can be transparent in a system and non transparent in another. How can we generalize the result?

Fortunately transparency has another meaning for hard core audiophiles ... :rolleyes:
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Francisco-I agree with you 100%.
 
Purité Audio said:
Technical specifications can be difficult to grasp at first, but I would persevere ,you can determine the 'sound' or otherwise of a component from its measured specification.
If a component is audibly transparent then it will remain transparent in any system.
Keith
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If you knew microstrip and his knowledge and background in electronics, you wouldn't make such general statements that infer he doesn't understand technical specs. As for determining the "sound" of a component from its measured specifications other than making generalized statements, it's impossible regardless of what some soothsayers say. if it was true, none of us would ever have to hear a piece of gear in our system before we determined it will suit our systems perfectly. We would all just look at some graphs and charts and say "Yep, that will be perfect."
 
mep said:
If you knew microstrip and his knowledge and background in electronics, you wouldn't make such general statements that infer he doesn't understand technical specs. As for determining the "sound" of a component from its measured specifications other than making generalized statements, it's impossible regardless of what some soothsayers say. if it was true, none of us would ever have to hear a piece of gear in our system before we determined it will suit our systems perfectly. We would all just look at some graphs and charts and say "Yep, that will be perfect."
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You can of course do exactly that, in the very same way you can tell that the Molas will be transparent you can pretty much judge how a SET amp will sound from its measured distortion.
Having said that I would still recommend actually hearing the amp to confirm .
Keith.
 
Keith

If a member was interested in purchasing the Mola-Mola amp how long would it take you to actually deliver the amp to their door and at what price. This in light of the fact that it took the reviewers from a major publication three years to receive a pair and they knew the designer. Seems like a lot of "promo" for gear that may or may not come to market in any timely fashion.
 
Purité Audio said:
You can of course do exactly that, in the very same way you can tell that the Molas will be transparent you can pretty much judge how a SET amp will sound from its measured distortion.
Having said that I would still recommend actually hearing the amp to confirm .
Keith.
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Why? There should be no need to do that according to what you said. Just look at the specifications and you know exactly how a given component will sound in your system. If people buy gear based on how great the spec sheet looks and they don't like the sound, they just need to go back and keep staring at the spec sheet until they realize how great the spec sheet tells them the gear sounds.
 
They are in production now, the new Mola-Mola dac is almost ready, it appears to be an exceptional design, it will be available as a seperate unit or built in to the Makua preamp.
It might be worth waiting a few more weeks .
Keith.
 
mep said:
Why? There should be no need to do that according to what you said. Just look at the specifications and you know exactly how a given component will sound in your system. If people buy gear based on how great the spec sheet looks and they don't like the sound, they just need to go back and keep staring at the spec sheet until they realize how great the spec sheet tells them the gear sounds.
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As I have said the Mola-Mola amps do not have a sound, they are transparent, personally O prefer transparency , but I understand others may prefer added distortion, that is their perogative.
Keith.
 
Purité Audio said:
As I have said the Mola-Mola amps do not have a sound, they are transparent, personally O prefer transparency , but I understand others may prefer added distortion, that is their perogative.
Keith.
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Surely I have a different preference. As Nelson Pass masterly wrote:

"If you are concerned that your power amplifier (or anything else
for that matter) is as objectively and technically accurate as possible,
that is a perfectly legitimate criterion. You will certainly find many
products in the marketplace that excel at conventional objective
performance, and most of them are much cheaper.

Our real customers care most about the experience they get when
they sit down to listen to their music. We create amplifiers that we
like to listen to, on the assumption that we share similar taste.

We want our products to invite you to listen. We want you to enjoy
the experience so much that you go through your entire record
collection - again and again. This, by the way, is a very strong
indicator."

It is why we have such diversity in the high-end and we enjoy writing about our systems.
I will be happy to read your comments about how the systems you assembled sound like, particularly if it includes examples of recordings and you have better writing skills than my electronic specification understanding. :rolleyes:
 
AJ Soundfield said:
You've heard all stereo electronics? Interesting claim.
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You don't have to hear "all" stereo electronics to know that none are perfect and people pick and choose the sound they prefer for their systems and their rooms.
 
mep said:
You don't have to hear "all" stereo electronics to know that none are perfect and people pick and choose the sound they prefer for their systems and their rooms.
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You do when you make this claim:
mep said:
all stereo electronics have a sound.
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Otherwise, the claim is specious.
It would be entirely possible for some to have no sound, it's just that you haven't heard them.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
You do when you make this claim:

Otherwise, the claim is specious.
It would be entirely possible for some to have no sound, it's just that you haven't heard them.
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Have you personally heard any that have "no sound" or are you just speculating? Output devices all have a characteristic sound (MOSFETs, Bipolar, JFets, VFets, IGBTs, etc.) and the same type of devices from different manufacturers don't sound the same either. Passive devices such as resistors and capacitors have different sound qualities. Pure Class A sounds different than Class A/B which sounds different than Class D. The same circuit built from the same parts but laid out differently on the circuit board will sound different. When the day comes when all stereo gear has no sound of its own and the sound of nothing is declared the winner, we can come down to having a couple of manufacturers competing to deliver us the sound of nothing at the cheapest price. Does anyone besides you and Pureite think we are there?
 
mep said:
Does anyone besides you and Pureite think we are there?
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You haven't heard all stereo electronics, so your claim they all have sound is pure speculation.
Seems the whole credo of one must experience something for themselves to make judgement, is being selectively rejected.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
You haven't heard all stereo electronics, so your claim they all have sound is pure speculation.
Seems the whole credo of one must experience something for themselves to make judgement, is being selectively rejected.
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You are caught in your own circular argument now and haven't addressed the points I made so I'm done with you.
 
When you've heard all electronics..including the Mola you are virtual hearing and judging, get back with us.
 
"If you are concerned that your power amplifier (or anything else
for that matter) is as objectively and technically accurate as possible,
that is a perfectly legitimate criterion. You will certainly find many
products in the marketplace that excel at conventional objective
performance, and most of them are much cheaper.

Our real customers care most about the experience they get when
they sit down to listen to their music. We create amplifiers that we
like to listen to, on the assumption that we share similar taste.

We want our products to invite you to listen. We want you to enjoy
the experience so much that you go through your entire record
collection - again and again. This, by the way, is a very strong
indicator."

I want to put this quote in a very nice frame and hang it on the wall behind my system.
 
mep said:
You don't have to hear "all" stereo electronics to know that none are perfect and people pick and choose the sound they prefer for their systems and their rooms.
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So true. I totally agree. Everything I've heard is different, some I love more than others.
 
The Kronos Sparta was sounding great in that room!


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