Magico vs Revel

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Interesting article comparing Magico to Revel.

Tested by Harman so no bias here :popcorn:

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Since the pages won't load from your link, let me guess....The Revel speakers measure better?
 
I don't think the Salon 2 and Magico A3 are close in price are they? Aren't they targeted at different audiences? I would have "guessed" that the Salon would outperform Magico's lowest price offering.

The least surprising piece of data was that the Diana Krall track was the the least discriminating. :D
 
I had a client just trade in his 228BE’s on A3’s, so.....


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Mike said:
I had a client just trade in his 228BE’s on A3’s, so.....


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Wow, that’s saying something. I’ve listened to the 228BE and it’s a heckuva good loudspeaker.

Ken
 
How are the speakers positioned during the listening tests? It is unclear from looking at that photo if they are set up differently or placed in the exact same locations. Do they play one speaker or two? I only see one speaker of each model.
 
PeterA said:
How are the speakers positioned during the listening tests? It is unclear from looking at that photo if they are set up differently or placed in the exact same locations. Do they play one speaker or two? I only see one speaker of each model.
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Those were my thoughts as well. It seemed like they used the same position for all speakers and they were shifted automatically. How was that position determined?

I see the a similar thing at shows and dealers all the time. Different speakers side by side and the same distance from the rear wall but not the same distance from side walls. Doubtful that any of the speakers were at their optimum placement.
 
The 228b is a relatively new Revel in the Performa 3 series using a Brillium tweeter. A pair is about the same cost as the A3 pair.
If Revel is using their speaker tester, one speaker is moved and the other set into the same position, they only play one speaker.
 
Dizzie said:
Those were my thoughts as well. It seemed like they used the same position for all speakers and they were shifted automatically. How was that position determined?

I see the a similar thing at shows and dealers all the time. Different speakers side by side and the same distance from the rear wall but not the same distance from side walls. Doubtful that any of the speakers were at their optimum placement.
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From what I previously have read Harmon has one of the most advanced speaker testing facilities in the world. It is supposed to remove as many variables as possible and the listeners do not know which speaker they are auditioning at any point. I really doubt they set it up so it optimal for "their" speaker and thus all other speakers are disadvantaged. Of course the cynic in all of us comes out when our preferred product doesn't "win".
 
Mr Peabody said:
The 228b is a relatively new Revel in the Performa 3 series using a Brillium tweeter. A pair is about the same cost as the A3 pair.
If Revel is using their speaker tester, one speaker is moved and the other set into the same position, they only play one speaker.
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I imagine they use the same amplifier for all three speakers also, even if the speakers present different loads. Very interesting. So, the testers are forming their preferences based on contexts that are nothing like the contexts in which the speakers will finally be used. I wonder if the results would be any different if the speakers were optimally set up as stereo pairs in an actual listening room. Perhaps the listeners are listening for different sonic attributes in the Harmon test.
 
nc42acc said:
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Unfortunately, upon audition I heard from the A3 what is described under Anechoic Measurements in the report:
"Magico has some notable resonances at 150 Hz and 600 Hz."

Higher level Magico speakers don't have that problem. The Q3 and M Pro speakers, for example, are terrific.
 
PeterA said:
I imagine they use the same amplifier for all three speakers also, even if the speakers present different loads. Very interesting. So, the testers are forming their preferences based on contexts that are nothing like the contexts in which the speakers will finally be used. I wonder if the results would be any different if the speakers were optimally set up as stereo pairs in an actual listening room. Perhaps the listeners are listening for different sonic attributes in the Harmon test.
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Peter, this was debated quite a bit on WBF a few years back - you might search there for the specific thread.

Their methodology is certainly interesting with mono speakers, but Toole and Olive believe its the best way to test speakers in a double blind test and have done so for 20 years. Well documented. In some ways, not too different from finding the best L speaker position in your room by moving it around and then simply using the exact opposite position for the R speaker.
 
PeterA said:
How are the speakers positioned during the listening tests? It is unclear from looking at that photo if they are set up differently or placed in the exact same locations. Do they play one speaker or two? I only see one speaker of each model.
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Were you around when Amir was ruling the roost at WBF and he constantly pushed people to join the Harman cult and become Harmanite skilled listeners? The protocall for how Harman tests speakers has been discussed a zillion times.
 
mep said:
Were you around when Amir was ruling the roost at WBF and he constantly pushed people to join the Harman cult and become Harmanite skilled listeners? The protocall for how Harman tests speakers has been discussed a zillion times.
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Yes, I was around, as were you, when Amir was ruling the roost at WBF. It was just not clear to me that the Harmon testing methodology has remained the same. Thank you for confirming that for me. I read those zillion discussions.
 
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