Magico S3 mk2

walesi said:
TY Mike! I don't expect to get M3 sound for S3 money, but it was good to hear your opinion. I'm trying to find a dealer who has demo M3:s, just to hear them. None in Finland, I have to see what Sweden and Norway have to offer. Germany perhaps?
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There are two pairs in Warsaw if you are willing to make a trip. The guy who runs the My Sound shop in Munich probably also has a pair.
 
Kuoppis said:
But it is understandable that owners of S5s/S7s come up with all kinds of arguments and explanations why their more expensive models should still be 'better' despite having the previous gen alu woofers.
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Here is a problem with your theory. I'm an ex S5 mk 2 owner. Not only that, I have went from the S5 mk 2 to M3 (which has graphene woofers) and I'm absolutely with Sandeman.

I know that you just bought your S3s. I'm happy for you. It is a great speaker. There is no other speaker I would rather own if my budget was limited to $30k. Just stop making unsustainable claims.
 
Elberoth said:
Here is a problem with your theory. I'm an ex S5 mk 2 owner. Not only that, I have went from the S5 mk 2 to M3 (which has graphene woofers) and I'm absolutely with Sandeman.

I know that you just bought your S3s. I'm happy for you. It is a great speaker. There is no other speaker I would rather own if my budget was limited to $30k. Just stop making unsustainable claims.
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Making unsustainable claims about personal opinions? As a logical concept that sounds a bit silly, doesn't it?

If you read the posts carefully, the point is: IMHO graphene is the better material, I think it makes speakers better. It brings a new texture to the bass. Whether you personally subscribe to that or not, is just one opinion among many.

So, some models might be more expensive, but because of the alu woofers they do not have that new texture. That's all. Some S7/ S5 mk2 owners now appear to be angry, because they seem to think everyone should say their toys are the best no matter what - I think everyone should just love their products best. But I find it humorous how some aficionados insinuate being the bearer of absolute truths.

Others respond like Blue Fox, which is what I like: S5 mk2 in rose color are the best of them all. And of course they are, because they are in his system and he enjoys them. That's the way to go, thank you for being a grown up in the conversation.

In addition, I have actually not said anything about the absolute quality of the S7 or S5 mk2. They're great speakers, as is the S3 mk1 which also has alu woofers.

About unsubstantiated comments though, should we go back to measuring the woofers [emoji3]. Do you still claim Magico have their specs wrong with the 9" S3 mk2 woofer?


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Kuoppis said:
Do you still claim Magico have their specs wrong with the 9" S3 mk2 woofer?
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Magico have copied Morel's specs (they are build by Morel). Most drive unit manufacturers would call a woofer with 222mm basket an 8" one (see woofers from Seas, Scan Speak, Focal etc). For whatever reason - my guess is a marketing one - Morel had chosen to call their woofers '9 inch'.

So answering your question: they are the same size as the old ones, but are now called 9". Probably makes some people feel better.
 
This may be off topic and I'm sure I'll be labeled as self-righteous or excommunicated from the serious audiophile community by this post, but it saddens me to see so much divisiveness and ill feelings generated over measurements and raw materials used to manufacture audio components.

On this Independence Day when our founding fathers bled and died for us 241 years ago for the proposition that all humans are created equal, it's amazing, at least to me, how much time and energy is expended and how much contentiousness is wrought between and among gearheads on really meaningless measurements and totally subjective opinions. Often the end to all of these means, the music, isn't even mentioned, as if the music is just incidental and it's the gear that counts.

Some might prefer listening to Miles with their vintage IMF speakers priced at $1,000 to speakers with the latest greatest woofer material that cost $20,000 or $100,000. Some might get as much enjoyment driving their $10,000 Camaro as much as someone else enjoys driving their Audi R8. Some might think it's crazy to spend $250,000 on a watch with a tourbillon complication when the clock in an iPhone for $200 is more accurate. The list goes on. To each their own. No one is correct or incorrect for preferring one speaker over another, regardless of cost.

Audio is a totally subjective hobby and to each their own. We should be thankful we have choices and means to acquire discretionary items, let alone turntables and phono cartridges that cost more than the average annual salary of many. Try not to criticize and insult and expend so much negative energy over our beloved hobby. Worry and pontificate about world peace in our time so our children and grandchildren will have a chance to listen to Dizzy and Ella and Elvis and Mahler and Beethoven and not be annihilated in a cataclysmic nuclear holocaust.
 
Thank you for this great post and said better than I could have.

I hope we all can enjoy the holiday weekend.

RDSChicago said:
This may be off topic and I'm sure I'll be labeled as self-righteous or excommunicated from the serious audiophile community by this post, but it saddens me to see so much divisiveness and ill feelings generated over measurements and raw materials used to manufacture audio components.

On this Independence Day when our founding fathers bled and died for us 241 years ago for the proposition that all humans are created equal, it's amazing, at least to me, how much time and energy is expended and how much contentiousness is wrought between and among gearheads on really meaningless measurements and totally subjective opinions. Often the end to all of these means, the music, isn't even mentioned, as if the music is just incidental and it's the gear that counts.

Some might prefer listening to Miles with their vintage IMF speakers priced at $1,000 to speakers with the latest greatest woofer material that cost $20,000 or $100,000. Some might get as much enjoyment driving their $10,000 Camaro as much as someone else enjoys driving their Audi R8. Some might think it's crazy to spend $250,000 on a watch with a tourbillon complication when the clock in an iPhone for $200 is more accurate. The list goes on. To each their own. No one is correct or incorrect for preferring one speaker over another, regardless of cost.

Audio is a totally subjective hobby and to each their own. We should be thankful we have choices and means to acquire discretionary items, let alone turntables and phono cartridges that cost more than the average annual salary of many. Try not to criticize and insult and expend so much negative energy over our beloved hobby. Worry and pontificate about world peace in our time so our children and grandchildren will have a chance to listen to Dizzy and Ella and Elvis and Mahler and Beethoven and not be annihilated in a cataclysmic nuclear holocaust.
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Well, I do not know if Alon is a genius designing loudspeakers, but he sure is a specialist in Marketing. As new speakers appear in the line (Q, S, M) introduces small improvements, so the owner feels that he is no longer at the technological forefront and somehow (even unconsciously) feel the need to be. Yes sir, a sales genius. And with that no, I mean that he does not make extraordinary speakers, since he has thousands of satisfied customers.
 
nonesup said:
Well, I do not know if Alon is a genius designing loudspeakers, but he sure is a specialist in Marketing. As new speakers appear in the line (Q, S, M) introduces small improvements, so the owner feels that he is no longer at the technological forefront and somehow (even unconsciously) feel the need to be. Yes sir, a sales genius. And with that no, I mean that he does not make extraordinary speakers, since he has thousands of satisfied customers.
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Audio Research have been doing that for years, and other high end speaker manufacturers do the same thing. From a business perspective, it's a smart business model. The upshot is that companies like Magico push the state of the art.
 
XV-1 said:
New S3 mkII review from a new Aussie review mag led by experienced Aussie reviewer Ed Kramer.

http://www.australia.soundstage.com/index.php/reviews/3-magico-s3-mkii-loudspeakers
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LVB said:
Just saw this, very good, refreshing review. I believe it is the first S3 Mk2 review I have seen.
http://www.australia.soundstage.com/index.php/reviews/3-magico-s3-mkii-loudspeakers
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Pretty much what I have been trying to convey in my ramblings: Great top to bottom coherence, great bass definition and newly found structure + he is praising the top end, which has already been favorably reviewed in case of the S7 and S5 mk2 (same drivers).


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Of course it is a successful business strategy, but we must be careful, that sometimes we take speed, we catch speed ........... and we can be taking out the M6 ​​MKII, before presenting the M6. :D:D
 
nonesup said:
Well, I do not know if Alon is a genius designing loudspeakers, but he sure is a specialist in Marketing. As new speakers appear in the line (Q, S, M) introduces small improvements, so the owner feels that he is no longer at the technological forefront and somehow (even unconsciously) feel the need to be. Yes sir, a sales genius. And with that no, I mean that he does not make extraordinary speakers, since he has thousands of satisfied customers.
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I think that the "problem" is that each new reiteration is much better then previous ones, these are not "small improvements" to my ears :( But would you rather see small or no improvements at all? How is this different than any other successful business?
 
Narayan said:
Absolutely nothing at all but some fine gentlemen in this thread might have a different opinion :)
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Kuoppis said:
Pretty much what I have been trying to convey in my ramblings: Great top to bottom coherence, great bass definition and newly found structure + he is praising the top end, which has already been favorably reviewed in case of the S7 and S5 mk2 (same drivers).


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And wouldn't you know it, Edgar has Wilson Audio speakers... :D
 
Surely, with my problems with the English language, I have not expressed myself correctly. I do not want to say that between the MKI version and the MKII there are no major improvements, I mean that between S5 MKII and S3 MKII there are small differences (woofer) that will surely make S5 MKII owners think they no longer have the best Magico I could Offer in the S series.
 
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