a.wayne
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Nothing like google to see what the hell everyone is yacking about , i guess you guys are trying to save Mike bandwidth with the pics ...
Luxman amps
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Hey bonzo,
The Haileys are good to 20Hz. Have in mind that sealed bass is quite a bit different from ported, like the TADs you were just listening before... So, if the bass was light, it might've been the character of the amp showing, and that characteristic wasn't being properly shown on the TAD's ported design. I know the YGs are quite chameleon-like, and different amps will present the bass in a whole different way!
Anyway, if you need more bass output, that's what the YGs Sonja 1.3 (or XV!) are there for
cheers,
alex
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Hey bonzo,
The Haileys are good to 20Hz. Have in mind that sealed bass is quite a bit different from ported, like the TADs you were just listening before... So, if the bass was light, it might've been the character of the amp showing, and that characteristic wasn't being properly shown on the TAD's ported design. I know the YGs are quite chameleon-like, and different amps will present the bass in a whole different way!
Anyway, if you need more bass output, that's what the YGs Sonja 1.3 (or XV!) are there for
cheers,
alex
Hi no, I don't rate box bass in most cases, so I think YG was better quality, and I am not comparing it to TADs for quantity. Maybe different amps will present it in different ways. I have seen quite a few owners do use subs on some of the other models. Personally I would like to see how the Carmel IIs do in a MCH set up
a.wayne
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I could find measured Data on the TAD's nothing on the YG Hailey, any links to a review with measurements .. ???
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The first pic is from Acoustic Gallery in Paris where I heard the Tad Evolution 1 floorstanders with the Luxman M900u and the Nagra pre, compared with swapping the Lux for the Viola Symphony, and then the TAD for the YG. Acoustic Gallery also distributes/deals Rockport and Marten. Overall I found him very knowledgeable tallying our experiences.
The other pics are from just outside London, where we have Criterion Auido with Burmester 911mk3, Plinius, and Boulder 2160 (new series), all fed with Burmester 088 pre. He will be getting in the Boulder pre soon. Demo room is a slightly bigger version of a normal living room.
The other pics are from just outside London, where we have Criterion Auido with Burmester 911mk3, Plinius, and Boulder 2160 (new series), all fed with Burmester 088 pre. He will be getting in the Boulder pre soon. Demo room is a slightly bigger version of a normal living room.
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Think I mentioned this on another thread, so I went to Paris to listen to the Viola Symphony and Luxman M900u, and did a direct shootout on the TADs. Unfortunately, the Viola disappointed. The Lux was much more organic and full bodied, and real. The Viola was faster and had more extensions at either end, but I found that its speed and dynamism was not as easy as Spectral’s. Seemed forced with the TADs. Compared to the Lux, it was more fatiguing and metallic. Maybe it needs the Viola preamp. As for the bass, in the Lux it can be increased by bridging two blocs. And it is just rock solid and musical.
The distributor mentioned they had done a shootout of his speakers the previous evening – TAD, YG, Rockport, and Marten, and people had preferred the YG. So we moved the YG Hailey into place, just for a brief listen as I was about to leave, and I was amazed. These speakers were like Quads in resolution, midrange, and openness, with more bass and dynamics. Plus they seemed like speakers that would fit into any living room, no special room size or shape required (a big consideration for me). They may not be like giant horns or panels, but hey, they are just place and play, walk around without any room invasion, and yet get a top sound.
Well, almost. These speakers, like highly accurate speakers, can easily start sounding edgy, metallic and like bad digital, if not set up properly. But here the set up has more to do with the electronics and accessories, and less to do with the room.
I checked with Barry2013 on WBF, whose Kipods and Carmel 1s I have heard before, and he mentioned that Criterion Audio just outside London had a pair. Now, Criterion turned out to be a SS amp goldmine.
Visiting Criterion, I heard the YG Hailey with Burmester pre, and the Plinius, Burmester 911mk3, and Boulder 2160 amps. Both here and in Paris noticed they have much more decay like stat, openness, musicality, and space, and are full instead of lean in the mid bass like some other metal speakers, but the metallic sound here around the edges came probably from an all SS chain, reflective/live room, or power. Criterion is getting a Boulder pre in soon, so maybe I can go with a valve pre and check if that, like Paris, would easy the edge. Otherwise it would be room treatment.
Boulder was the best of the bunch. A 600w class A beast, with a giant special connector that LL21 adopted for his Gryphon. Amazing how it handles space and nuances, inflections in vocals with a continuous flow - so SET+ horn like. And we played it from the cold, while others were warmed up over night. Too expensive, but am a fan.
A single bloc of Lux in a big room made the YG sound a bit bass light (requires subs), while the Boulders and Burmesters seemed to give it sufficient bass, or it could be that the speaker in this smaller room were close to the walls. Either way, bridging Luxmans should fix that problem.
And no, I am unable to provide any opinions on Luxman vs Boulder or Burmester as I heard the Luxman’s in a separate room. Price wise, the Luxman seems a no brainer compared to the others. I have never heard the Accuphase A70. It would be interesting to compare the Lux and the Boulder. Mind you, the Lux does not startle you with the bass and dynamics of the Spectral, or a bass grip, or valve like harmonics. What it does is, it just plays solidly, with a great tone, organic sound, 3d, and it is only when it is taken away and replaced that you realize what you were missing. I can easily see it sounding great on restored Apogees.
Also, money aside, I can’t see an alternative for YG Hailey for a normal living room speaker. Fits right in and sounds great, if matched properly.
There is a distributor in Romania who has Luxman, Accuphase, Vitus, Lamm, and Thrax amps. Analysis Audio and Tune Audio Anima speakers. In short, most of my favorite gear. Unfortunately cannot communicate with him in English easily. Any Romanians around?
The distributor mentioned they had done a shootout of his speakers the previous evening – TAD, YG, Rockport, and Marten, and people had preferred the YG. So we moved the YG Hailey into place, just for a brief listen as I was about to leave, and I was amazed. These speakers were like Quads in resolution, midrange, and openness, with more bass and dynamics. Plus they seemed like speakers that would fit into any living room, no special room size or shape required (a big consideration for me). They may not be like giant horns or panels, but hey, they are just place and play, walk around without any room invasion, and yet get a top sound.
Well, almost. These speakers, like highly accurate speakers, can easily start sounding edgy, metallic and like bad digital, if not set up properly. But here the set up has more to do with the electronics and accessories, and less to do with the room.
I checked with Barry2013 on WBF, whose Kipods and Carmel 1s I have heard before, and he mentioned that Criterion Audio just outside London had a pair. Now, Criterion turned out to be a SS amp goldmine.
Visiting Criterion, I heard the YG Hailey with Burmester pre, and the Plinius, Burmester 911mk3, and Boulder 2160 amps. Both here and in Paris noticed they have much more decay like stat, openness, musicality, and space, and are full instead of lean in the mid bass like some other metal speakers, but the metallic sound here around the edges came probably from an all SS chain, reflective/live room, or power. Criterion is getting a Boulder pre in soon, so maybe I can go with a valve pre and check if that, like Paris, would easy the edge. Otherwise it would be room treatment.
Boulder was the best of the bunch. A 600w class A beast, with a giant special connector that LL21 adopted for his Gryphon. Amazing how it handles space and nuances, inflections in vocals with a continuous flow - so SET+ horn like. And we played it from the cold, while others were warmed up over night. Too expensive, but am a fan.
A single bloc of Lux in a big room made the YG sound a bit bass light (requires subs), while the Boulders and Burmesters seemed to give it sufficient bass, or it could be that the speaker in this smaller room were close to the walls. Either way, bridging Luxmans should fix that problem.
And no, I am unable to provide any opinions on Luxman vs Boulder or Burmester as I heard the Luxman’s in a separate room. Price wise, the Luxman seems a no brainer compared to the others. I have never heard the Accuphase A70. It would be interesting to compare the Lux and the Boulder. Mind you, the Lux does not startle you with the bass and dynamics of the Spectral, or a bass grip, or valve like harmonics. What it does is, it just plays solidly, with a great tone, organic sound, 3d, and it is only when it is taken away and replaced that you realize what you were missing. I can easily see it sounding great on restored Apogees.
Also, money aside, I can’t see an alternative for YG Hailey for a normal living room speaker. Fits right in and sounds great, if matched properly.
There is a distributor in Romania who has Luxman, Accuphase, Vitus, Lamm, and Thrax amps. Analysis Audio and Tune Audio Anima speakers. In short, most of my favorite gear. Unfortunately cannot communicate with him in English easily. Any Romanians around?
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Well said "tone, organic sound and 3D" ....those are the qualities that jump to mind with two M800a amps driving my Maggie 20.7s (Joe I have ARC ref 6 as preamp connected via Cardas Clear XLR). The bass is so good and present I moved my velodyne sub out of the room.
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